Extra Fine-Grained Dirt in pool

Jun 17, 2015
9
Dallas, TX
Pool Size
10000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Today's water test:
chlorine 5.5
CYA 40
pH 7.8
TA 120
CH 200
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We just recently remodeled the our pool (plaster, tile, concrete deck, added small water feature), and everything is fine except that there is, every morning, a layer of "dirt" in the pool.

I originally thought it was either sand from the old filter due to broken laterals or mustard algae because of the number of threads on this forum discussing the differences between the two. However, after investigating rather thoroughly, I am pretty sure that it is neither. First, the dirt is so fine-grained that it does immediately dissipate into the water when brushing and resettles shortly after. Which might sound like algae, except that we are not churning through chlorine (no overnight chlorine loss) and, if I move my hand very slowly (to avoid the water pushing it away) to the dirt on the steps, I can feel it and it is definitely gritty, not slimy as I understand algae would be. It is also very hard to pick up because it is so fine-grained. I can mash my thumb on some and gather just a few tiny granules. I put a sock over the returns which caught nothing, and I also opened the sand filter and took a bit out to compare. The filter sand granules are way bigger than whatever this is.

My pool contractor did recently replace the grout between the coping tiles (he used the wrong color originally), which involved cutting out the old grout and I know it was real dusty and a lot of that went straight into the water. Is that what this is? I have brushed and brushed and brushed, and I can get some of it down to the main drain and the cloud appears to be sucked into it, but I can also see in the shallow end as I brush the tiny granules just floating in the middle of the water, only to settle again 5 minutes later. The polaris net is nowhere near fine enough to catch this dust.

Am I doomed to just days of trying to brush this out over and over again, or are there any tricks that I need to learn? OR, do I need to invest in a vacuum, which I've never needed in 8 years of pool ownership!

Thanks in advance!
 
There is a fine bag for the polaris. It is the k14 sand & silt bag vs the k13 all purpose bag.
Also u may want to look into a slime bag to put on the returns to try to catch the debris, a sock is likely too open of a weave.

If it’s disintegrating grout it will likely continue to happen. If it’s just a mess from the repair it should lessen with each with manual removal.
Have u deep cleaned your sand filter & ensured sand is at the proper level? It should be done every couple seasons anyway. You may have some channeling that’s allowing things to pass through. Here’s the how to on that 👇
After u are sure that is remedied u can also try adding DE to catch the finer particles
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If it is residual grout material, you might try adding a little DE to your sand for a few days to see if that helps catch it.

 
Thanks everyone for the help! I had no idea that there was a "fine" bag for the polaris. Just ordered one.

I also know I need to deep clean the filter, but I have a Triton II with the side mounts, so it doesn't seem to be as easy as just removing the top/multiport valve. I put my multiport valve to "closed", but there is still dirty water pouring out of the returns when I start the deep clean. Any advice? I don't have any other valves, do I need to install one on the return side in order to deep clean or is there an easier way?
 
but there is still dirty water pouring out of the returns when I start the deep clean. Any advice?
Do you have shut-off valves on the suction and pressure side? If so you might close them. You can also try deep cleaning with the handle on backwash. See if one of those will work for you.
 
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No, I have zero valves other than the jandy valve that determines whether I suction from the skimmer or the main drain (or both), but I cannot "close" it, it's one or the other. And then the multiport valve on the filter. That's it.

So I am SOL with the deep cleaning? I tried the backwash MPV position, but I started filling the filter and it just never filled up, not sure if the water was leaking back into the suction lines or what, but nothing happened.

I also read on here where someone suggested cleaning a Triton II by putting it in Backwash and turning the pump on. Which I tried, but then dirty water and sand were just absolutely pouring out of the top of the filter, so I stopped that.

All I've really done to this point is make my pool completely filthy.
 
Here are some threads I pulled that may give you more ideas. Hopefully the MPV itslef isn't damaged preventing water form going where it needs to.




Last resort, post some pics of your equipment pad from different angles. Maybe we'll see something to help.
 
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As you can see, no shutoff valves of any kind.

Thanks for the thread links. Useful, but I'm starting to think it's not possible to deep clean a Triton II without any shutoff valves of any kind. Which sucks, because the water above the sand when I started deep cleaning was incredibly dirty and gray.
 
I'm starting to think that I might have misunderstood what was happening earlier. When I put the MPV on backwash and started to fill the filter, I was looking for the dirty water to spill over the top of the filter like in the deep clean videos, but instead it got to a certain level and stayed there. The dirty water is probably going out the waste pipe just like it does when I backwash, right? So then, that would work the same as spilling over the top (but less mess)?

I made a mess of my pool, but that was when I had the MPV on "closed", but the filter was filling up and then pushing all the dirty water out the returns.

If I put it back on backwash (without turning the pump on) then will that work without dirty water flowing back into the pool (with no valves to close anything off)?
 

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So here's what you can do to close the diverter valve to lock off the suction side. The picture shows the handle facing the pump and the diverter valve by design won't be able to go 180° because of built in stops under the handle. So here's what to do, unscrew the wing screw in the center of the handle then lift the handle enough to be able to ride above the stops and now point the off position to the pump. This will eliminate water going back that way.
 
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THAT DID IT!!!

That's exactly what I was missing. With the MPV on "Closed" the dirty water was leaking out of the returns, but on Backwash the dirty water was leaking out of the drain/skimmer. I didn't know that I could manipulate that valve like that.

Thank you wireform and everyone else.
 
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