Polaris (Fluidra) has offline channels, while Aiper has online brand marketing capabilities.
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Expert in Cordless Pool Cleaning Robots – Tips & Recommendations for Purchase and Discussion
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yes you need to remove the robot's fine filter when it cleaning walls. all fine filter can only be used in floor mode
try Dolphin Nautilus CC Plus, Its comprehensive performance and price are very suitable, and it has a large sales volume and is very mature
The only thing to note is that cables and wheels may require maintenance and replacement within a few years
or any other dolphin model in your budget, try not use weekly timer.
If you want to try cordless robots, you can choose beatbot aquasense 2.
theoretically it has the best workmanship quality in cordless robot and comes with a genuine 3-year warranty.
But it doesn't have an ultra fine filter option and there may be wheelie issues.
There is no perfect robot, just choose the flaws you can tolerate and the strengths you like
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Yes, I don't recommend Aquasense Pro/ultra. aiper s1 pro to anyone.
because I have actually used and charge them without a caddy
That's simply a disaster.
For those additional features that cannot offset the negative feedback of weight.
Thanks. Are there any robots that are only 12 inches wide for fountains and negative edge troughs? The handhelds I've tried don't work great
Thanks for the link. That values Aiper at about $400 Million on sales revenue of $200 Million. Plus Fluidra plans to take on a majority state in the future with additional investment. I sure wish Fluidra would change their position on selling only to “professionals”
Hi, I have a new pool and I'm in the market for a cordless robot. My pool is a rectangular fiberglass pool with autocover. It is the 41' version of the Thursday Goliath, which has a saftey ledge around the full perimeter of the pool. Right now I'm mostly considering the Aiper Scuba X1 and the AquaSense Beatbox 2. I like the ultrafine filter on the Aiper and the Surface parking feature on the Beatbox 2. However, my biggest concern is how each of each of the robots will handle the safety ledge. Will both robots be able to get past the safety ledge and scrub up to the waterline? Would the mapping system on the Beatbox 2 handle the pool shape better?
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We're ready to replace our Aquabot Elite (AE) we've had for 7 short pool seasons. The pool is rectangular'ish, approx. 20' x 40'. It has with 3 squared-off steps in one corner. The incline is fairly steep and long, and we just got a new vinyl liner. Our major complaints about the AE is that it never seems to clean the whole pool, instead it consistenly misses large swaths of the pool, it fails to climb the incline, and the filter baskets are not fine enough, allowing way too much dirt through. (There's a very long gravel driveway on the other side of our fence that Amazon trucks love to speed up and down.) Due to the short pool season, it's hard to justify spending an arm and a leg for a new pool bot. If we can find a superior one, though, I think it will be worth it. Just so we don't spend what limited pool season we have with all the cleaning. Thanks for any suggestions. 
Hello Michael. Great information you've shared. Thank you.
I'm looking to replace my Polaris 9550 with a cordless robot because it has a problem with a wheel I need to try to fix and its cord has developed a twist and keeps fighting with my Betta skimmer. The 9550 was purchased 9/2021 so I'm hoping my next robot lasts longer than 3 seasons.
I don't need a remote control, I've never used the one that came with the 9550. I'm trying to keep the cost around $1,000 and take advantage of some of the sales going on this week.
My pool is a vinyl liner made in the mid 1980's. It's 36' long and 25' wide. The shallow end is 3' and the deep end is 9'. I'd describe the shape as eggplant or pear shaped. The picture of the pool is with the cover on but gives an idea of the shape.
I'm considering the Aiper S1 or Beatbox Aquasense. I'd like something that used some logic to clean the pool rather than random patterns. Thanks
I'm looking to replace my Polaris 9550 with a cordless robot because it has a problem with a wheel I need to try to fix and its cord has developed a twist and keeps fighting with my Betta skimmer. The 9550 was purchased 9/2021 so I'm hoping my next robot lasts longer than 3 seasons.
I don't need a remote control, I've never used the one that came with the 9550. I'm trying to keep the cost around $1,000 and take advantage of some of the sales going on this week.
My pool is a vinyl liner made in the mid 1980's. It's 36' long and 25' wide. The shallow end is 3' and the deep end is 9'. I'd describe the shape as eggplant or pear shaped. The picture of the pool is with the cover on but gives an idea of the shape.
I'm considering the Aiper S1 or Beatbox Aquasense. I'd like something that used some logic to clean the pool rather than random patterns. Thanks
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- Nov 12, 2017
- 12,680
- Pool Size
- 12300
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Nine foot deep end!? Very nice. Envious. My 7.5' is fine, but I like it down there!! 
Thanks for the offer, Michael. Our Aiper Seagull 1500 is well into it's third year, and no longer climbs the walls. Aiper says they can replace the battery, and we'll be back in business, but I believe you can recommend something better for us. First, this Aiper has done well for us. It may not have fine filtration, but I have a
Thanks for your offer to help, Michael, and we need your expertise. Our Aiper Seagull 1500 is into it's third season and no longer climbs the walls. Aiper says they can replace the battery (or send a refurbished machine) and get us back in business, but I think 'twould be a good time to upgrade. This machine has done well for us. We have a 60x10 lap pool (4-8 feet deep) with a niche to the side of one end for a spa and a 6-foot deep 10x15 play pool, so about 750sf floor and 1000sf walls. Walls (exposed aggregate) and tile line, until the last few weeks, have never needed additional brushing except over the stairs and ledge. This Aiper may not capture fine dirt, but it gets it out into the water and our glass-media filter takes it from there. We'd upgrade for a couple of reasons: 1) From the beginning, it gets hung up one of the other of the floor drains, using up it's 90 minutes of run time without cleaning the pool. We added the foam pads Aiper suggested, but it still gets high-centered. I'd thought a track machine might be better? 2) Much less important, this does not clean the ledge or steps. It climbs the ledge and step walls, but doesn't get up onto the flat. I can start it on the ledge and manipulate it with the hook to keep on it for a bit, but it's easier to just brush it and the steps--and the walls above them. Are there machines that will include the ledge and maybe the steps?
And a limitation: Some of the flagship cleaners I've looked at are not only very expensive, but also heavy. Twenty pounds coming out the pool is fine (which means the water has stay in the pool), 25 pounds is probably OK (not 20 plus 10 pounds of water)--I really can't do 30 pounds, and I don't think I need the weight of a three-hour battery. I understand this isn't a buffet, and one has to make compromises in these things, but would do you recommend, please? Thanks again for your help.
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HI Michael,
I have a challenge for any robot company no matter how big or small. . My pool is ~68K gallon. S400 is useless in this pool. The Beatbot iskimmer works on occasion, but I have shallow areas 4-6" that this bot gets stuck. I still need a riptide, a pondovac, fine and coarse nets, various sized brushes and mainly elbow grease to maintain this pool's cleaning activities. See pic. For perspectives, the length of the steps is about ~40'. 4' to 8' decline from the diving board to the slide. From the rainmaker (4 columns) to the steps (2 planters) is about ~28'-30'.
I believe that these robots have scrubbing power for walls and floors, but nothing seems to be able to scrub like a manual light brush which leads me to believe that these "scrubs" are for show and propulsion only. I beat that most pool owners with robots spend more time babysitting it than time enjoying their pool. My gold standard is that a robot should allow you more time to enjoy the pool than cleaning and maintaining it.
I have a challenge for any robot company no matter how big or small. . My pool is ~68K gallon. S400 is useless in this pool. The Beatbot iskimmer works on occasion, but I have shallow areas 4-6" that this bot gets stuck. I still need a riptide, a pondovac, fine and coarse nets, various sized brushes and mainly elbow grease to maintain this pool's cleaning activities. See pic. For perspectives, the length of the steps is about ~40'. 4' to 8' decline from the diving board to the slide. From the rainmaker (4 columns) to the steps (2 planters) is about ~28'-30'.
I believe that these robots have scrubbing power for walls and floors, but nothing seems to be able to scrub like a manual light brush which leads me to believe that these "scrubs" are for show and propulsion only. I beat that most pool owners with robots spend more time babysitting it than time enjoying their pool. My gold standard is that a robot should allow you more time to enjoy the pool than cleaning and maintaining it.
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I want to chime in here for the Beatbot Aquasense. I recently posted a thread on it:
Thread 'My Robots Review - Beatbot and Bettabot' My Robots Review - Beatbot and Bettabot
This is my first robot. In a previous pool, I had a Polaris 260 with a booster pump. It did OK in our pool, but the Bettabot Aquasense is many times better.
I stick with tried and true technology for all my appliances. I wait for all the bugs to be worked out before I purchase. I've done this with cars, washers, dryers, computers, and now pool robots, with a very good success record thus far.
I think
pool robots are rapidly evolving and are only going to get better over time. However, so many companies are entering the market presently, it's becoming increasingly confusing and difficult for the average consumer to sort through the massive amounts of information and "expert" reviews. This can result in "Paralysis by Analysis". 
I think folks have come to expect FAR too much from these wireless robots. No appliance will ever relieve the pool owner of occasionally picking up your pool pole with a brush or skimmer and physically participating in making your pool water beautiful. My Beatbot Aquasense, along with the Bettabot skimmer relieves me of probably over 90% of my manual maintenance. The remaining 10% I view as aquatic therapy.
Now back to the Beatbot Aquasense. Since the model I purchased is a previous version, I paid less than I would for the latest and greatest. I think the current models are too expensive. As the OP stated, paraphrasing, sometimes manufacturers try and do too much with one product - like the newest Beatbots skimming function. A dedicated skimmer robot in addition to your bottom/wall/waterline cleaner is money better spent.
I've only had the Beatbot Aquasense for a few months, so more time is needed to evaluate its long-term performance. But right now? I am 100% pleased with its performance. It does everything the manufacturer claims. Sometimes it misses a spot. I'm good with that, and doubt ANY robot achieves 100% perfection 100% of the time.
Will I buy another Beatbot? No clue. We'll see how the 3-year warranty period goes and I'll let you know then.
Good luck to everyone and I hope you find the best robots for your $$$.
Thread 'My Robots Review - Beatbot and Bettabot' My Robots Review - Beatbot and Bettabot
This is my first robot. In a previous pool, I had a Polaris 260 with a booster pump. It did OK in our pool, but the Bettabot Aquasense is many times better.
I stick with tried and true technology for all my appliances. I wait for all the bugs to be worked out before I purchase. I've done this with cars, washers, dryers, computers, and now pool robots, with a very good success record thus far.
I think
pool robots are rapidly evolving and are only going to get better over time. However, so many companies are entering the market presently, it's becoming increasingly confusing and difficult for the average consumer to sort through the massive amounts of information and "expert" reviews. This can result in "Paralysis by Analysis". I think folks have come to expect FAR too much from these wireless robots. No appliance will ever relieve the pool owner of occasionally picking up your pool pole with a brush or skimmer and physically participating in making your pool water beautiful. My Beatbot Aquasense, along with the Bettabot skimmer relieves me of probably over 90% of my manual maintenance. The remaining 10% I view as aquatic therapy.
Now back to the Beatbot Aquasense. Since the model I purchased is a previous version, I paid less than I would for the latest and greatest. I think the current models are too expensive. As the OP stated, paraphrasing, sometimes manufacturers try and do too much with one product - like the newest Beatbots skimming function. A dedicated skimmer robot in addition to your bottom/wall/waterline cleaner is money better spent.
I've only had the Beatbot Aquasense for a few months, so more time is needed to evaluate its long-term performance. But right now? I am 100% pleased with its performance. It does everything the manufacturer claims. Sometimes it misses a spot. I'm good with that, and doubt ANY robot achieves 100% perfection 100% of the time.
Will I buy another Beatbot?
No clue. We'll see how the 3-year warranty period goes and I'll let you know then. Good luck to everyone and I hope you find the best robots for your $$$.
- Nov 12, 2017
- 12,680
- Pool Size
- 12300
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Oh, that's what it's called. Yep, I got that.
Dragon Den, robots have a diminish return on investment. The factors that affect its usefulness is the size of the pool, the amout of debris surround the pool, and the season of the year. I'm sure there's other factors. The problem with these robots is that they provide somewhat of a misleading or lack of information in their specifications. For example, a corded robot is never advertised with a cord in the picture. The filters are not specific to microns but are general terms such as coarse, fine, ultra fine, etc. Come on. The opening and filter size is never mentioned. The size of the robot is also almost never shown. Maytronics, for example, as several robots that pretty much do the same thing. The same robot sells retail with a different model number vs online. I know Shark Vacuum is notorious for this practice which makes consumer comparison much more difficult.
In general, the pool vacuum industry is due for an overhaul. The newcomers, if they don't take the bait on buyouts from the bigger established companies, will stand to gain a lot.
In general, the pool vacuum industry is due for an overhaul. The newcomers, if they don't take the bait on buyouts from the bigger established companies, will stand to gain a lot.
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That's true of all appliances. They'll always be a net expense in exchange for convenience.
Some appliances will always last longer than others, for example we purchased a Speed Queen washer and dryer in 2009. Both still running. 100% analog outlives pretty much anything with digital controls. Simple is almost always the best choice.
Looking at your information, your 65,000 gallon pool is easily double the size of my 20×40 30,000 gallon rectangle pool. I understand your frustration in finding a good robot for your application. Perhaps you can purchase two robots and drop one in each end and see what happens? At any rate, that's a lot of cubic feet of pool to clean.
But you're right about all the marketing hype and model number manipulation. That makes it difficult to make an informed decision.
What robots have you tried so far?
@PGQ24 did you look at the commercial robots such as the Wave models from Maytronics/Dolphin ?
Like everything else there is a substantial bump in price getting a commercial model but you're well beyond what should be expected from a residential cleaner IMO.
I only have the Dolphin S400 and Beatbot iskim Ultra. From a report on the app, a 2 hr run does about 8K gallon filtered rom the S400. 1 automated run allowed per day on the app. As you can see, this robot is way undersized, and the results proved it. The pool looks unchanged with the same debris in the same spot day after day even with 2 runs per day. More corded robots is just a receipt for entanglement and simply unsightly cords.
As for the Wave, it doesn't seem to do anything that the S400 can't do. It may just look commercial and last a little longer. That's it. Also, the cord is getting in the way of the iskm Ultra.
What might work is a:
1. Self Emptying bot vacuum.
2. An automatic go to home base recharge with the home base solar capable
3. A big battery capable of operating for at least 2 hours with solar recharging capable onboard
4. Big filter capacity is preferred
5. Accurate ultrasonic mapping
6. A good app
7. Scrubbing power that actually can scrub algae instead of rolling over it
8. Able to skim, dive, and scrub in 4-6" shallow waters.
Is this shortlist of basic requirement too much to ask? Most of the technologies are already available but not tested in the waters. If I pay a pool guy $60/week, that's $3210 a year. I'll shell out $4000 for the right pool robot. From there, the company can make more smaller less featured pool bots for smaller pools and can still be cost effect for any pool owners.
As for the Wave, it doesn't seem to do anything that the S400 can't do. It may just look commercial and last a little longer. That's it. Also, the cord is getting in the way of the iskm Ultra.
What might work is a:
1. Self Emptying bot vacuum.
2. An automatic go to home base recharge with the home base solar capable
3. A big battery capable of operating for at least 2 hours with solar recharging capable onboard
4. Big filter capacity is preferred
5. Accurate ultrasonic mapping
6. A good app
7. Scrubbing power that actually can scrub algae instead of rolling over it
8. Able to skim, dive, and scrub in 4-6" shallow waters.
Is this shortlist of basic requirement too much to ask? Most of the technologies are already available but not tested in the waters. If I pay a pool guy $60/week, that's $3210 a year. I'll shell out $4000 for the right pool robot. From there, the company can make more smaller less featured pool bots for smaller pools and can still be cost effect for any pool owners.
The commercial models use brushless motors which won't fail as often from the inside out. They are also better protected from water intrusion so they won't fall as often from the outside in. (So the story goes).
The runtime is increased to 6 hours so it can cover more ground per cycle. This is a beef of mine that would cost them nothing to include on the residential units. They'd stop many complaints of needing to run 2 or 3 cycles if they just let the corded residential models go longer.