CYA loss in salt water pools

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This has been discussed before and shown that FC destroys CYA especilly at shock levels and at high temperatures.With this in mind,would SWG cause more CYA destrucion given the condition in the cell-high temperature,high chlorine concentration?
 
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This has been discussed before and shown that FC destroys CYA especilly at shock levels
Not here it hasn't. :)
and at high temperatures.
Folks in the desert may see 10% to 15% reduction a month, but it's a non issue for upstate NY.

You'll see a 3 to 5 ppm breakdown per month, plus whatever dilution you get from rain overflow. It'll be unnoticeable month to month in the season but likey noticable when you close the pool and walk away for up to 8 months.
 
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The salt cell doesn't warm the water and the chlorine level only increases by one or two ppm as it travels through.

So no, I don't think this will cause a noticeable effect.
All the reactions occur on the plates and they DO get hot.There is very high concentration of Cl(atomic state,not Cl2) which immediately reacts with water.There is also very high concentration of OH- that leads to formation of Ca(OH)2 than reacting with CO3-- forming calcium carbonate scale and flakes/slush found in the SWG pools.I started my pool with 30ppm of CYA and after 2 months is 0.Is your statement an opinion or is it based on something more solid?
 
Not here it hasn't. :)

Folks in the desert may see 10% to 15% reduction a month, but it's a non issue for upstate NY.

You'll see a 3 to 5 ppm breakdown per month, plus whatever dilution you get from rain overflow. It'll be unnoticeable month to month in the season but likey noticable when you close the pool and walk away for up to 8 months.
It was:Degradation of Cyanuric Acid (CYA)
 
This has been discussed before and shown that FC destroys CYA especilly at shock levels and at high temperatures.With this in mind,would SWG cause more CYA destrucion given the condition in the cell-high temperature,high chlorine concentration?
 
I started my pool with 30ppm of CYA and after 2 months is 0
How are you testing ? 20 and under is sketchy to read at best with Taylor, and the other methods have long proven their terrible reliability.
We have done thousands and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of SLAMs since that 2008 thread with no noticable effect on CYA.

I covered the CYA loss up to 12 ppm a month in hot climates above. Your pool won't be above 85 degrees, or for very long if that summer is particularly harsh.

Rain overflow and/or refilling after backwashing on the other hand, you will see.
 
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How are you testing ? 20 and under is sketchy to read at best with Taylor, and the other methods have long proven their terrible reliability.

We have done thousands and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of SLAMs since that 2008 thread with no noticable effect on CYA.

I covered the CYA loss up to 12 ppm a month in hot climates above. Your pool won't be above 85 degrees, or for very long if that summer is particularly harsh.

Rain overflow and/or refilling after backwashing on the other hand, you will see.
Taylor test that goes down to 5ppm.My pool temp is 100 degrees.My point is that chlorine concentration at the plates is very high and may far exceed the SLAM levels.
 

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So you measured the temperature of the plates and the chlorine levels at the plate?
I'm sorry, you appear to be confused. You see, you are making the claim that the water temperature and chlorine concentration are incredibly high at the plate level, so it is your job to measure it to share with the class.

If that was true than plates would not need to have rare earth metal coatings............
Huh? The coatings are to protect the plates from breaking down from electrolysis. That has nothing to do with heat.

Taylor test that goes down to 5ppm.
What specific test would that be?

My pool temp is 100 degrees.
That. That's why your CYA level is going down. No need to stab at random baseless theories, your water is hot. Mystery solved.
 
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My point is that chlorine concentration at the plates is very high and may far exceed the SLAM levels.
Theory is great and I love it personally. But we have a ridiculous amount of real world users not seeing any appreciable CYA loss with SWGs. Myself for one in a similar climate to yours. If it's dry for 2 months, the CYA is rock solid.
No need to stab at random baseless theories, your water is hot.
Wouldn't artifical heat remove most of the equation without the intense UV needed to raise the temps that high ? Otherwise anyone with a heater would be reporting similar losses as many are running in the 80s.
 
Theory is great and I love it personally. But we have a ridiculous amount of real world users not seeing any appreciable CYA loss with SWGs. Myself for one in a similar climate to yours. If it's dry for 2 months, the CYA is rock solid.

Wouldn't artifical heat remove most of the equation without the intense UV needed to raise the temps that high ? Otherwise anyone with a heater would be reporting similar losses as many are running in the 80s.
There is a huge difference between double blind controlled study and observation.That is exactly how most idiotic theories were created....
 
Wouldn't artifical heat remove most of the equation without the intense UV needed to raise the temps that high ? Otherwise anyone with a heater would be reporting similar losses as many are running in the 80s.
We see 20+ ppm per month CYA loss in hot tubs all the time. Temporarily heating the water won't have much of an effect on the CYA, but leaving it at a high temperature consistently will speed things along.
 
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I'm sorry, you appear to be confused. You see, you are making the claim that the water temperature and chlorine concentration are incredibly high at the plate level, so it is your job to measure it to share with the class.


Huh? The coatings are to protect the plates from breaking down from electrolysis. That has nothing to do with heat.


What specific test would that be?


That. That's why your CYA level is going down. No need to stab at random baseless theories, your water is hot. Mystery solved.
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Visual Determination, Cyanuric Acid, Turbidimetric, 0-500 ppm​

 
I'm sorry, you appear to be confused. You see, you are making the claim that the water temperature and chlorine concentration are incredibly high at the plate level, so it is your job to measure it to share with the class.


Huh? The coatings are to protect the plates from breaking down from electrolysis. That has nothing to do with heat.


What specific test would that be?


That. That's why your CYA level is going down. No need to stab at random baseless theories, your water is hot. Mystery solved.
Plates don't "break down" from electrolysis.The electrolysis products will react with plates material.You are the one stating that "plates don't heat the water and Cl raises by 1-2 ppm".Where exactly did you get that information?SWG manufacturers state that plates do get hot!
 
The direct current in the cell jumps from one plate to another, over time carrying part of the surface with it. That is why the best units reverse the polarity often. The coating is made of metals more resistant to that shedding than the titanium plates are. Same reason a platinum spark plug isn't entire coated with platinum, just the tips where the spark is produced.

And the lack of temperature difference and FC raise is demonstrable. You have a skimmer, you have a return. Take samples, test them, there's your answers.

You have water leaving your heater at well over 100 degrees and you think tiny little plates with a hundred watts of power running through them are heating the water in any measurable way?

The answer here is pretty obvious, but if you happen to have one of these double blind controlled studies you speak of up your sleeve we're always looking for new data to add to the collective.
 
Is it safe to assume your pool is covered, removing even more UV from the equation ?
 

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