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Oh, and I have also noticed that traditional can sprays really discourage nest building as well, even though they aren't marketed for that use. So, if you can fold back the cover and get some on there in a way that doesn't put it in the water, there is a good chance they will go look elsewhere...

Not a very good answer here as you mentioned that you don't want to spray anything that might get in the water, but ... As an adjunct to whatever other solutions are suggested, I have found spray the surrounding areas (if not the entire property) with cypermethrin to be of some help. Last time...

Yeah, I saw the 4P sticker on the board and had just looked that up and saw it was single body. Pentair is a little confusing with their part/model labeling. The front of the panel says for pool and spa and the schematic on inside of panel door says 5k42 for pool and spa. And it has the header...

It looks like the automated valve is connected to the dedicated valve actuator header. And... if the header is all functional, the inlet/outlet/auxA/auxB makes me thing this is a pool/spa board? I don't understand enough yet about programming options for the easytouch. I thought the buttons for...

I'm sure he has all the model info on file for warranty. He's been great to work with and anything I don't know now is because of questions I didn't know to ask along the way. His invoice was fairly generic - EasyTouch 4, Intelliflo VSF etc, not specific part numbers. Good point - I'll ask him...

Just read through the manual. Looks like I need to remove the cover to verify exactly what I have (single body or pool/spa), and to see how they have it wired. Also, have a few questions now for my builder. Pentair manual and website makes it sound like perhaps the system should have included...

Thanks guys. Looking at the controller, it says for pool and spa, and there is a "V" button factory labeled pool, spa, spill etc so I assume this is the pool/spa version? The inside of the controller panel door has model 5k42 on it but hard to tell exactly what that matches on Pentairs site...

Just the single pump. I assumed that "fountain" was the automated Jandy valve? One light is all pool lights, the other is all surrounding landscape/steps/fire pit.

Yeah, new pool. So those valves are Crud huh? Good to know.

I think so. It just says Easytouch.

That sounds promising at least. What "4" things can the easytouch 4 control? I think I currently have it controlling pump, pool lights, and some landscape lights that are all on a single zone. I had assumed the automated valve was the 4th. Can it control valves A and B in addition to whatever...

OK, the automated valve on the right is for returns and/or spills. At night this automatically turns off the spills, but the VS pump keeps going with a low flowrate for the returns. Single line for all 3 returns, and each spill has a line with valve to fine tune flowrate. Manual valve on the...

4 main drains in the catch pool. There is a single skimmer in the center (under flower pot). At the moment this pic was taken, the vanishing edge was off and the pump was pulling from just main pool drains and skimmers.

There is a return on the left, shallow end, near the spill. There are two more returns on the tanning ledge, behind the loungers. And of course, the spills on either side of the vanishing edge. Two main drains or drain heads in deep end, and a skimmer on either side of tanning ledge.

I'll try to get some photos this weekend. In the meantime, I just swapped over to main pool drains for the first time in about 2 weeks, and the cloudiness we were seeing cleared up in less than a day. So, I guess I'm on the right track. Manually swapping over every couple of days isn't the...

We have a new pool with about 25 ft of the 42 ft length on one side as an infinity edge. Drop is 4 ft to the catch basin. We love the look, still trying to find best setup of drains, returns, skimmers. The main pool has two skimmers opposite the infinity edge, two main drains in deep end...

I did include the catch pool in total volume. I read through that CO2 thread. Interesting. I'm hoping that as I get TA down and plaster cures cometely my pH rise will slow down a bit. I don't mind adding acid so long as it isn't a gallon a day! Good to know there may be other options.

I don't know what caused the TA to get to that level. Don't know as in, the pool builder has been adding various chemicals late fall, over the winter and early spring. I'm only just now taking over chemistry so I don't know what led to the current state. I probably should, but don't Good to...

OK, my fill (tap) water is: TA 160 pH 8.2 (or more, matches top color on K-1000) CH essentially 0 (blue without adding any of the second drops) My pool TA was down to 240 today CH is at 125 (a little surprised as its a new plaster pool - assumed it would be Ca rich to start?) pH 8.2+ This after...

Thanks, yeah that makes sense. Using the pH scale in the TF-100 kit, I could see how anything above the top of that scale might just look pretty similar in color. I'll be gone for the first part of today, hopefully this afternoon I can do some more testing and see where things stand.

Thanks, I'll check my water supply chemistry and report back. Never thought about the pool design's effect on water chemistry during planning, but then again I've never been a pool owner before. It does sound like the constant hyperaeration will be a constant struggle but... I'd probably design...

Hopefully my sig shows up. I need to go look up specifics of pump, filter, etc. Using TF-100 test kit and salt test kit from Taylor recommended here (1766 maybe?). Pool builder has been maintaining (?) chemicals after construction was finished late last year while working out a few kinks in...