Possible algae problem

PoolSouthpaw

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Jan 25, 2025
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Florida, USA
Pool Size
9000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-9)
I'm thinking I might have an algae problem, but I wanted to run it by the folks here first. The whole situation has me a bit baffled. Here is a little backstory:

A couple of months ago, I drained and refilled some water to reduce my salt content and ended up with a CYA level below 30. Given the hot and sunny weather in my area, I wanted to bring CYA up to more like 60-70, so I put the pH at 7.6 and did an OCLT (no detectable FC loss), then raised CYA to 50. I repeated the pH and OCLT (no detectable FC loss), then raised CYA to 70.

(All FC tests were done with a TF-Pro Salt kit. In each case, I did a CC test; the result was always undetectable, < 0.5 ppm.)

Since then, weird things have been happening.
  • With my SWG set to 20%, FC held steady at 5 ppm for a few days. I wanted it to be slightly higher, around 7-8 ppm.
  • I raised the SWG to 25%; FC dropped to 4 ppm the next day.
  • I raised the SWG to 50%; FC dropped to 3 ppm the next day.
  • I raised the SWG to 75%; FC dropped to 1 ppm the next day.
Those results surprised me, since I have a brand new T-9 cell that's rated for a pool that's more than twice as large as mine.

Last night, I turned off the SWG and added a gallon of liquid chlorine (10%) to the pool, raising FC to 16. An OCLT showed a 7 ppm loss, meaning my FC went from 16 to 9 in less than 12 hours.

At this point, I'm thinking I must have an algae problem, and that a SLAM is the best way to proceed from here.

In case anyone is wondering, here are the other test numbers from a few days ago, using a TF-Pro Salt kit:

pH: 7.8
TA: 80
CH: 450
CYA: 70
Salt: Measured 3200 with Taylor test, reported as 3300 on controller

Also, the water is very clear; I see no visible signs of algae, but I understand that clear water does not necessarily mean there is no algae in my pool.
 
but I understand that clear water does not necessarily mean there is no algae in my pool.
Thanks for that. We can waste a week convincing folks of that alone. 👍


OCLT showed a 7 ppm loss
Thanks for that too. Any wonder of an algae bloom whatsoever, OCLT. Then come tell us that you passed so we have time to fiddle with whatever else it may be, or you failed and commenced slam immediately.
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With my SWG set to 20%, FC held steady at 5 ppm for a few days. I wanted it to be slightly higher, around 7-8 ppm
FC does not hold steady, it swings. You slowly add FC over a long period yet it is mostly depleted in a few hours.

The timing of production and testing are both about as important as how much you're producing.

Remind us when the slam is near completion to dial in a better plan going forward. :)
 
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Quick update:
The SLAM seems to be proceeding well. The OCLT this morning showed a 2 ppm FC loss, so the SLAM isn't done yet, but I expect it to be done within a day or two. (I will confirm with an OCLT showing 1 ppm or lower FC loss, including CC < 0.5. The water has been clear the whole time, so I'm only focused on test results.)

Once the SLAM is complete, what is the best way to move back to the SWG (which is currently turned off for the SLAM)? I assume I have to wait a few days for FC to deplete to a normal level before I start using the SWG again. Historically, I have run the pump and the SWG simultaneously for eight hours daily (8am - 4pm), but recent results suggest that's not very effective.
 
Once the SLAM is complete, what is the best way to move back to the SWG (which is currently turned off for the SLAM)? I assume I have to wait a few days for FC to deplete to a normal level before I start using the SWG again. Historically, I have run the pump and the SWG simultaneously for eight hours daily (8am - 4pm), but recent results suggest that's not very effective.
Yes, let it drift down, then turn on the SWG.
Run it at a % output and pump runtime that will keep your FC in range for your CYA. Link-->FC/CYA Levels
 
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With my SWG set to 20%

I have run the pump and the SWG simultaneously for eight hours daily (8am - 4pm), but recent results suggest that's not very effective.
Running for 8 hours, with the T-9 set at 20%, you are adding 0.9ppm daily. Your ACTUAL FC demand is likely closer to 2-3 in FL this time of year.

You have a very nice VSP. I would run your pump 24/7.
To set it up, lower your RPM down until the SWG turns off because of low flow. Note that RPM and add 200RPM.
Run your VSP 24/7 at the (RPM SWG cutoff + 200RPM).
Run your SWG at 25% for a day...that will raise your FC by 3.3 for the 24 hours.
If your FC rises, turn down the SWG%
If your FC falls, turn up the SWG%
Running 24/7 at low speed will likely be less than $20 a month, and it will add FC all day long.
 
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Just think of all the puzzle pieces for the week and how they fit together, then adjust accordingly. It's never as simple as 'maintaining a 7 FC' (etc).

Producing only during the day makes less swing, but mid day you burn off more than you make and early/late in the day you make more than you burn off.

A 5 may be ok at breakfast if you pick up 2 by 11AM, only to lose it and be back at 5 at dinner. That same 5 is probably not ok at 11AM. Mid season you'll have more loss and need to account for that too.

You'll have varying degrees of loss across the week. You want to test/anticipate the high UV days and accept that you'll make a litte more than you needed on the cloudy / rainy / cooler / lower UV days. If you were to test at those times, you should see a bit of a surplus. If those days are 'dialed in', then you'll fall under when the higher loss days hit.

The closer you run to min, the closer you need to pay attention.
 
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Running for 8 hours, with the T-9 set at 20%, you are adding 0.9ppm daily. Your ACTUAL FC demand is likely closer to 2-3 in FL this time of year.
Right, and I'm sure it will stay that way until at least October, possibly even later. I think my mistake is running just 8 hours a day; that doesn't give the SWG enough time to produce sufficient FC, as you pointed out. I will look into your recommendation of running longer hours at lower speeds. Thanks!
 
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The closer you run to min, the closer you need to pay attention.
Yes, that's why I want to stay around 8 ppm FC, to give myself plenty of margin for fluctuations. The part that has me baffled is that I have been running my SWG at 20-25% for 8 hours/day for the past several years with a T-9 SWG. How was I maintaining sufficient FC? I don't see how I was, unless the pool cleaning companies I was using at the time were adding liquid chlorine and never bothering to adjust the SWG.
 
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that's why I want to stay around 8 ppm FC
How often are you testing ? (be honest. All of us SWG people 'get it' :ROFLMAO:)

But that's another huge chance for things to go south. I'm on my patio often and the equipment is a only couple steps away. At night I can see the green lights from the patio and not even need to take 5 steps. But running with plenty of wiggle room, if i see those lights to know I'm producing today, I'm very probably still sitting with plenty of wiggle room.

Without a daily test or visual confirmation I'm producing today, a big rain tripped the low salt self test and the cell was off for 12 or 24 hours. Or an electronic hiccup / power surge took it out and it made up the difference before I saw the # i wanted to a few days later. Hitting 8s once a week doesn't tell the story like people think it does.

2 more foods for thought. :)
 
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How often are you testing ? (be honest. All of us SWG people 'get it' :ROFLMAO:)

But that's another huge chance for things to go south. I'm on my patio often and the equipment is a only couple steps away. At night I can see the green lights from the patio and not even need to take 5 steps. But running with plenty of wiggle room, if i see those lights to know I'm producing today, I'm very probably still sitting with plenty of wiggle room.

Without a daily test or visual confirmation I'm producing today, a big rain tripped the low salt self test and the cell was off for 12 or 24 hours. Or an electronic hiccup / power surge took it out and it made up the difference before I saw the # i wanted to a few days later. Hitting 8s once a week doesn't tell the story like people think it does.

2 more foods for thought. :)
Good points… During the SLAM, I was testing 4x/day, but since I’m in the early stages of taking care of my own pool, I test FC daily. As I become more comfortable, I might space it out to every other day, but I definitely won’t test only once a week. As you mentioned, quite a bit can go wrong during that time. I have my pool controller on my phone, and I check it several times a day.

I also plan to keep 1-2 gallons of liquid chlorine as a backup, in case I need to increase FC quickly. I know FC does not have a long shelf life, so I plan to replace my stash every few months, especially during storm season.
 
I test FC daily. As I become more comfortable, I might space it out to every other day,
Awesome. You'll get lulled into boredom with it at some point as we all do. Lol. But not forseeing all the ways it could go south is how it goes south. :)
I also plan to keep 1-2 gallons of liquid chlorine as a backup, in case I need to increase FC quickly. I know FC does not have a long shelf life, so I plan to replace my stash every few months
Its available to you all year so no need.

Use what you have and if it lost 1% four months later, it's still plenty fine and you just need a hair more than the dose says. If its been 8 to 12 months, chances are we have moldy stuff outdoors somewhere with our humidity and the old supply still works great for that. Once everything is clean and there's still some leftovers, it gets donated to the laundry room. It works for years there.
 
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