Looking for a wireless pool thermometer

Sdhb

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Jul 20, 2023
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Pool Size
54509
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-9)
This Sonoff switch is designed to monitor temps and switch a device (like a heater) using the eWelink app. The Temp Probe can be mounted in a thermowell plumbed into the pool plumbing...

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This newest version of the device does support temp tracking.
Resurrecting this old tread...can you please confirm if this is the kind of tee that you used ?

Hoping that it would then thread with a thermowell like this :


Would you agree? Ty
 
That is the same style fitting I used with 1/2" NPT threaded socket. The thermowell you linked is a metric thread (m12x1.5) and I don't think it will work. You should be able to find a thermowell with 1/2" NPT threads.
 
That is the same style fitting I used with 1/2" NPT threaded socket. The thermowell you linked is a metric thread (m12x1.5) and I don't think it will work. You should be able to find a thermowell with 1/2" NPT threads.
Good catch. I think this one is 1/2 npt, based on an amaozn question answer anyway:


While I'm at it, any thoughts on this unit ? I plan to slip the Probe into the thermowell.

 
I have not seen this unit used by anyone on the TFP forum. It looks like a monitor only and does not provide switching. If that meets your needs, I'm sure it'll be fine. Let us know how it works out.
 
I have not seen this unit used by anyone on the TFP forum. It looks like a monitor only and does not provide switching. If that meets your needs, I'm sure it'll be fine. Let us know how it works out.
Thanks ! Yes. At this point I'm looking for monitoring only. Possibly down the road I'm thinking of adding a relay to integrate to the heater , but given this works with tuya and presumably smarthings I think I can add that as a separate component when the time comes .My only remaining concern is if the temp Probe will be too wide to fit in the thermowell. If so, I guess I could just epoxy the temperature Probe directly into a threaded cap on the tee? The temperature Probe is apparently waterproof so in theory dosent need a thermowell to protect it.
 
Not that you asked (which has never stopped me before!):

The problem with those types of pool temperature probes is that they go in the plumbing, and so the pump must be running to get the water temp out in the pool. The kind that float in pool rely on batteries and some sort of wireless signal, usually WiFi. Bad and more badder.

And then... there was Dirk!

 
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Good point, thanks. Looks like 64mm will bottom out before it can be fully inserted. I figured the tee would add some height but not enough. Found this one, which is 50mm and 1/2" npt. Clearance for the 1.5 PVC pipe is 47mm but looks like the tee portion should add a couple mm, hopefully. Considering its metal to pvc thread , should I be wrapping with plumbers tape? I always forget when you do and when you don't. Lol. Ty

 
Thanks. Getting ready to execute. In terms of position, any thoughts on either of these two locations? Yellow or red? Both are on the pressure side either upstream or downstream of the filter, before the heater obviously.
 

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I would put it on the "dark side" of the vertical pipe coming out of the pump.
- As much out of the sun as possible.
- Closest to the pool.

You'll get an accurate reading that way, slightly sooner, instead of waiting for all the water to purge out of the filter and pad plumbing. I sometimes would turn on my system just to get pool temp, but I would have to wait a bit until all the water that had been sitting there warming up in the sun cleared the pad. The closer to the pool, the sooner the temp will read what's in the pool. It's a very minor reason, but that's the only one I could come up with! ;)

By "dark side" I mean in the shadow of the pipe: keep the UV off the probe. Not really for temperature-reading reasons, but for longevity reasons.

I encase every wire on my pad in wire loom, also to keep the UV off of them. I have it in my head that will make them last longer. You could put some on the probe wire, and on the SWG cable. Wherever you have a cable jacket getting subjected to sunlight.

This stuff, which you can also find at big-box stores:

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I didn't install my probe, the pool guy did. I would have put it where it is now, but under the pipe. This is an old pic, I now have an IntellipH acid injector where that check valve used to me. I put wire loom on all the IntellipH tubing, too.

I've never read here of anyone else doing this, but my stuff is in the brutal afternoon sun, so I figure it's cheap insurance. I like the way it looks, too.
 
Started working on this today and got stumped. The Thermowell seems to thread fully into the 1/2" PVC tee - so all good. BUT I also purchased a threaded cap so that I have a backup in case I need to remove the thermowell for whatever reason, as a means to keep the plumbing water tight. Strangely, the threaded cap will only insert about half of the way and then it is too tight to go any further. Is this expected?

This is the cap I purchased: https://www.rona.ca/en/product/ipex-1-2-in-schedule-40-pvc-threaded-plug-635622-00685669
and this is the PVC tee: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B009F3JSLK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&th=1

Should they not fully thread together so that the thread of the cap is no longer visible? TY.
 
I believe these threaded PVC plugs are tapered.
They are indeed. PVC threaded fittings, like most iron pipe and brass threaded fittings (that don't make use of o-rings), are NPT (National Pipe Thread). NPT is actually a nickname. The full name of this type of thread is "American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread."

Started working on this today and got stumped. The Thermowell seems to thread fully into the 1/2" PVC tee - so all good. BUT I also purchased a threaded cap so that I have a backup in case I need to remove the thermowell for whatever reason, as a means to keep the plumbing water tight. Strangely, the threaded cap will only insert about half of the way and then it is too tight to go any further. Is this expected?

This is the cap I purchased: https://www.rona.ca/en/product/ipex-1-2-in-schedule-40-pvc-threaded-plug-635622-00685669
and this is the PVC tee: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B009F3JSLK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&th=1

Should they not fully thread together so that the thread of the cap is no longer visible? TY.
You actually want the threads to bind up before they bottom out. It's the taper (and some form of sealant) that provides the seal. If the Thermowell goes in so far as to bottom out before the tapers bind up, that's not what you want.

Did the Thermowell come with any spec's? Can you verify it has NPT threads? NPS threads (not tapered) are of the same angle and thread-per-inch count, and might even seem to mate with an NPT fitting, but they wouldn't seal well together, if at all.
 
Thanks. This is the thermowell I purchased : Amazon.ca

It indicates 1/2 npt.

I might have exaggerated a bit, with force I can get it to fit most of the way (and I did not use plumbers tape, yet) . That said, it sounds like I probably shouldn't be applying as much force, at which point if I am also using plumbers tape I expect the thermowell would bind at about 75% of thread inserted. Still much further than the pvc cap will go... Sounds like its probably ok with either option as long as both bind at some point before full insertion, hopefully?
 
Thanks. This is the thermowell I purchased : Amazon.ca

It indicates 1/2 npt.

I might have exaggerated a bit, with force I can get it to fit most of the way (and I did not use plumbers tape, yet) . That said, it sounds like I probably shouldn't be applying as much force, at which point if I am also using plumbers tape I expect the thermowell would bind at about 75% of thread inserted. Still much further than the pvc cap will go... Sounds like its probably ok with either option as long as both bind at some point before full insertion, hopefully?
That's right. And your instinct is correct: more is not better. Hand tight, then a bit more with a wrench. Really just enough to get it to stop leaking! Over tightening will cause problems.

All these fittings and components are made by different manufacturers and processes, and different materials (PVC, iron, brass, copper, etc). They're all supposed to adhere to strict specifications, but they don't. The taper and the sealant(s), or in the case of NPS fittings, the o-ring, take up the slack between the spec and reality.
 
BTW, it's never a good idea to connect a metal male NPT to a PVC female NPT. The metal inside the PVC can crack the PVC, especially with wild temperature swings, as the two materials will not expand and contract the same. Always PVC male into metal female. Sometimes you don't have the option, as in your case, or you have to build an obnoxious adapter:
Thermowell male --> brass female-to-female coupler --> PVC male to PVC slip coupler --> tee (slip-slip-slip instead of slip-thread-slip). Or something like that, which even most plumbers would not do. They'd just thread the metal into the PVC tee and hope that it lasts long enough for you to forget who did the work!

And in your case, the added distance would probably impact the Thermowell's performance, if not defeat it altogether.

It might be fine for a long time or forever. I'm just pointing out the issue. But it's all the more reason not to over-tighten the Thermowell into that PVC tee.
 
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