New spill over spa not working correctly.. Please advise

AQUA~HOLICS said:

Can you confirm that the plumbing in question is “flex line” and not rigid pipe that was heat bent?

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That is a good question. I can reach out to the PB, but I'm pretty certain it is flex line. I was here during the process and did not see them workover or alter the pipe in any way. At this point the PB is cranky with me because I have such "High Expectations" So really not sure I'd get a correct answer. Also, the spa plumbing was subbed out... Would it make a difference? the new person I had come out seemed to be saying that it was the curve that is the problem. That water would sit in those valleys and I wouldn't get a good mixture with air or something like that...... He explained what was happening but I'd have to hear it again to recall the details. So that is why Im here, to get some ideas. I have some else coming next week to also advise, but want to try to be prepared.. .

ajw22 said:

Welcome to TFP.

Are you sure you have no plaster debris blocking any of your spa lines?

Give us the model and specs on your pool equipment and show us pics of your equipment pad.

How many spa jets do you have?

If you have no eyeballs and just open 1 1/2" pipe coming out of your spa walls that will give a lower pressure then if you had 3/4" eyeballs. You may just need eyeball fittings installed on the pipes...

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I am skeptical that the sagging pipes are the root cause of your complaints.

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Oh dear god you do not want to see my equipment pad.. LOL... but I will post it anyway !!!
So As for the debris idea, it is certainly possible with the quality of work I have seen with this fella. And I do agree that I will try some other details and see what results I have before ripping in to a brand new spa..

I posted the equipment specs on my profile. (We tied in to my existing equipment. The pad once had better ground clearance, but needs to be cleaned up and soil removed) I have the Pentair Intelliflo VS pump on the pool which is now also powering the spa, they added a Jandy blower.

So here is the story on the equipment: I wanted to relocate it not far from it's present location because of tree debris issue and difficulty getting in there to clean the filter etc. I was just told it would be too difficult... what ever that means, because in the process of all the new work all the old lines were expose anyway and there wasn't an issue of trenching because they literally had to do more digging to add the spa lines than they would have had to do to move it. Then after the spa lines were added, the valves were actually sitting right on the ground and he put the check valve on the wrong side, on the pool side rather than the spa side, so the spa was draining out into the pool and out the overflow... so he came and "fixed" all that and the photo is what I have now.. The black Jandy pump was added just for the bubblers on the ledge, he didn't even bother to put a pad under it. There happened to be a couple of old broke pavers sunk into the ground that I put there yrs ago to stand on while servicing the equipment... SOOOO... I am getting an estimate to move the equipment and clean up all that plumbing and we my find some issues there. Also, as for the returns, there are 5 and they do have the eye ball, but he said there is a part that is supposed to be inside that makes it a jet... and I have it in one but not the others... I'm not sure if that can be corrected as it is or not. Im still waiting to hear back.

NOTE: ignore all that stuff on the wall for the moment, we are in between moving over from the Swim pure system to the Pentair...

ajw22 said:

Please put the information in your Signature where it is visible with your posts.

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Ah, I see... Thanks, very new here Ill learn the ropes!

AQUA~HOLICS said:

Lots going on in the pictures that appear could have been installed in a different matter.
Flexible pipe is a hose and not allowed to be used in pool and spa construction.
The spa plumbing is not looped and that will cause uneven flow to each return.
The rebar appears to not have been epoxied into the bond beam.

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yeah. lots. I'm pretty savvy for just a home owner, but I got no idea what should have happened here. I just want to see what can be reworked that will work without having it wrong the second time.

AQUA~HOLICS said:

Lots going on in the pictures that appear could have been installed in a different matter.
Flexible pipe is a hose and not allowed to be used in pool and spa construction.
The spa plumbing is not looped and that will cause uneven flow to each return.
The rebar appears to not have been epoxied into the bond beam.

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here is a zoom in on hose and basket, it looks all tied. One group did the dig and basket, a different group, the problem group are the ones that did the plumbing... In one of the photos I can see the brand, this is the pipe that was used.. Superflex Pool and Spa Hose for Hot Tubs and Swimming Pools – Reboot

So I just emailed the manufacture of the pipe to inquire of it's use in this application.

AQUA~HOLICS said:

Yes that is flexible piping (hose) and not allowed for swimming pool/spa installations. The hose will expand and contract with pressure.

The yellow circles are the areas that I question about being epoxied in place.
Was a permit filled the the work being performed?
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here is another angle of that area... i don't think there is anything there...

AQUA~HOLICS said:

Inspectors in my area require that all new rebar be epoxied into the existing bond beam with a specific type of epoxy.View attachment 564070

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Unless they did it just before the gunite... I don't think I got that