First pool Tampa area - Plumbing question

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KCNM said:
Building up the plaster to reach fixtures is what they should do. My two older return lines stick out about an inch or so, and the plaster is built up and curved to reach them. And obviously getting it all perfectly smooth is not going to happen at a normal price level. Even in a house, getting level 5 walls is not something normally done and will be an upcharge.

That line in the last picture, though... I have no idea. My guess is that was the boundary between a couple workers, and they didn't properly smooth it out? Or they waited too long to smooth it out, and one side was too hard to properly work? Is the line sunken or sticking out?
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Yes, apparently my expectations are too high. I don't know what "level 5" is but my house was built 2 years ago and I definitely did not get level 5 walls (if level 5 means "straight"). Haha. I guess I'd say the line is sunken...but you are probably right, based on where the lines are, it was probably boundaries between workers.
 
All suction outlets need to be covered by an approved grate rated for the flow rate.

Maybe they will so something like these, but how will they attach the grates?

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JamesW said:
All suction outlets need to be covered by an approved grate rated for the flow rate.

Maybe they will so something like these, but how will they attach the grates?

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Ok, thanks, I was having trouble picturing what I should expect. I am also wondering how they are going to attach them...I guess I'll find out soon enough...I think they cut the pvc down too much but they don't seem concerned 🤷‍♀️. I guess I should try to figure the flow rate so I can make sure I get the correct ones.
 
If the line is sunken, the only way to fix that is applying more plaster. The acid wash guy should be able to patch that, so 100% bring it up. Mine did a couple patches without me even knowing they were needed. He took some blue dye and mixed it with the plaster to match the color. Then he took some of the loose pebble mix and laid and smoothed it into the surface. I can't even point out the couple areas he touched up.
 
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KCNM said:
If the line is sunken, the only way to fix that is applying more plaster. The acid wash guy should be able to patch that, so 100% bring it up. Mine did a couple patches without me even knowing they were needed. He took some blue dye and mixed it with the plaster to match the color. Then he took some of the loose pebble mix and laid and smoothed it into the surface. I can't even point out the couple areas he touched up.
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Ok, great, I will ask them as soon as they get here :)
 
424.2.6 Private Swimming pools.

424.2.6.6 Entrapment protection for suction inlets.

424.2.6.6.2 Testing and certification.

All pool and spa suction inlets shall be provided with a cover that has been tested and accepted by a recognized testing facility and comply with ANSI/ASME A112.19.8M, Suction Fittings for Use in Swimming Pools, Spas, Hot Tubs, and Whirlpool Bathtub Appliances.

Exceptions:

1. Surface skimmers.

2. Grate or grates having a minimum area of 144 square inches or greater.
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R4101.6.6.3 Entrapment avoidance

All pools and spas must have a backup system to provide vacuum relief should grate covers be missing or inoperative.

Vacuum protection devices can be:

Approved Safety Vacuum Release System (SVRS).

Approved vent piping.

Other approved devices or means.
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424.2.6 Private swimming pools.

424.2.6.6 Entrapment protection for suction inlets.

424.2.6.6.4 Suction inlets per pump.

A minimum of two suction inlets shall be provided for each pump in the suction inlet system, separated by a minimum of 3 feet or located on two different planes; i.e., one on the bottom and one on the vertical wall, or one each on two separate vertical walls.

These suction inlets shall be plumbed such that water is drawn through them simultaneously through a common line to the pump.

When a skimmer is used in conjunction with a single main outlet to meet the requirements of this section, the common suction line must be in compliance with Section 424.2.6.6.3 such that a vacuum cannot be drawn on any single main outlet or skimmer.
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JamesW said:
All suction outlets need to be covered by an approved grate rated for the flow rate.

Maybe they will so something like these, but how will they attach the grates?

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If they're using something like this, I really would have expected them to have already put in the lower part of that fixture so that it would be flush with the plaster... The part with the hex and then the circle on top, that I'm guessing the grate-thing screws into. I would have expected that circle to be flush with the plaster, and the hex would be completely hidden underneath. Same as they do for the eyeball fixtures. Instead this whole thing is going to end up sticking out, no?
 
In my opinion, they should have used regular main drain fixtures.

At this point, I don't know what they will do.

It looks like the Florida code also requires a second Safety Vacuum Relief System.
 
You could have gotten a channel main drain in blue or a ring drain in blue.

Some areas allow a single "Unblockable" drain such as the channel or ring drain and some do not.

Two of the ring drains would blend in an be inconspicuous.

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Yes, I have a channel drain for the main drain. The wall suctions are at least 3' apart which I thought was one option for meeting the requirement. The pool has passed every inspection on the first attempt. Sorry, maybe I left out important information...the channel drain goes to the 3 HP pump, the wall suctions go to the 1.5 HP pump.

For the groundwater...I don't know if this is relevant or a stupid comment but in the whole 6 months my pool has been sitting here, I haven't had any water build up in it sooooo, I thought maybe that meant I had a low water table? Or is this the stupidest comment you've ever seen, lol?!
 
TampaKathy said:
The wall suctions are at least 3' apart which I thought was one option for meeting the requirement.
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They have to have covers and they might also require a second SVRS device, but I am not sure.

Florida pools are susceptible to floating due to ground water.

Do you have any bodies of water nearby?

If yes, what is the elevation relative to the pool floor?
 
Originally 2 3-HP pumps were in the quote, but then later changed to one 3-HP and one 1.5-HP. I have a 3 HP pump for the pool and then a 1.5 HP for the water features (2 bowls, 2 deck jets and 1 sheer decent...the sheer decent is 4 feet wide).

I have wetlands 25 feet behind the pool...I'd say the wetlands are 10 feet below the pool floor. The rain has been on and off today, I think it has been less than what was expected.
 
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There are fittings that slip inside pipe, but you have to make sure that the fitting has been tested and accepted by a recognized testing facility and comply with ANSI/ASME A112.19.8M (Suction Fittings for Use in Swimming Pools, Spas, Hot Tubs, and Whirlpool Bathtub Appliances).

You can't just put a regular grate like the one in the bottom picture.

Maybe ask what is the part number for the grates they are planning to use.

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215-9891 Return Wall Fitting 1 1⁄2" FPT x 2" Insider (fits inside 2" pipe)

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215-9890 - INLET FITTING (215-9890)
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TampaKathy said:
These are the suction lines for my water features...are they supposed to have any sort of cover or they just stay like this?
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I am surprised the lines are so far apart. My wall suction for my water feature is only 18-24 inches apart and they each have a circular drain cover on it which meets the VGBA requirement.
 

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