Just got the keys!

Abnaxis

Well-known member
Jun 28, 2021
102
Indiana
Pool Size
6500
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
Wife and I just got the keys to our new house earlier this afternoon, with our first pool we've ever owned. It's...a bit of a fixer upper.
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Pretty sure it hasn't seen a drop of chlorine since our offer was accepted a month ago. Also, the deck itself is REALLY scummy and green where it was covered up by the automatic cover. On the bright side, the water level is pretty much exactly same as it was three weeks ago, and since nobody seems to have touched the pool I feel safe believing there aren't any unseen leaks in the plumbing.

The power cover tarp itself is ripped, threadbare, and disgusting, but we have a quote to replace the material that I'm trying to get moving quickly. Our county ordinance allows a safety cover in lieu of a fence, but I don't think anyone with eyes will think the tattered mess of a cover that's there now qualifies as a safety device.

This is my equipment pad:
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The large pipe goes to the return jets, the small one goes to the water slide.

The heat pump isn't piped because it's busted. There's a Goldline panel for a SWCG, but the salt cell isn't piped in because it is a shattered mess. The pump housing is cracked--the pump moves water but it won't self-prime, and it sucks air in the low pressure side while running.

I think the sand filter is ok? The pool guys who did the inspection for us prior to making an offer on the house had to replace a busted gauge, but it doesn't look like it's spitting out sand like I'd expect if it had broken laterals? They didn't actually open the filter up during the inspection, which makes me slightly nervous since every other piece of equipment seems to have undergone severe winter damage for the system to be in this state.

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This is a literal black box installed a few feet from the pool deck. All I can make out on it are some faded instructions on how far away and at what elevation to install it with relation to the pool itself. There are also those two metal pins that look like temperature probes that also look like they have some sort of epoxy coating that's cracking and flaking off of the temperature-probe-looking-thingys.


THE PLAN:

I have a TF-100 testing kit with ALL the bells and whistles on order, so hopefully I'll be able to see what the chemistry looks like next week. I have quotes in--and reimbursment from the last owners--to replace the cover tarp, the heat pump, and the filter pump. I also plan on having them install a salt cell while they're at it since I already have a control panel for it anyway and my family has some bad sensitive skin issues.

The quote they gave (and the money I got from the previous owners )is for a like-for-like single speed pump. I'm going to pay extra to replace the pump with a VSD instead. There's no rebate program for doing this, but it just seems more conscientious to me. I have separate quotes for a Waterway Power Defender 140 ($1000) and a Hayward PowerPump VS700 ($1500) which I'm currently mulling over. Near as I can tell, the primary difference between the two is the WEF of the Waterway is 9.58 and the WEF of the Hayward is 10.9. By my quick calculations, that's not nearly enough for the electricity savings to actually pay for themselves (it's just a couple dollars a year difference), so if I did it it'd almost purely be for the warm and fuzzy feeling of saving 15% more energy.

I'm debating adding some chlorine to at least stave off the petri dish growing even more microbe population even before I get my testing kit, but I don't know if I really want to do that with the pump in it's current state or if I might make things worse.

I'm know I'm going to need to restore some sort of chemical balance before I fire up a SWCG, but I'm not sure if it's necessary before the cell is installed?

The previous owners left behind a brush, a skimmer net, and a pool cover pump, but that pool floor is DEFINITELY going to need vacuumed, as soon as I learn which ones are good to buy.

I'm guessing I can power wash the scum on the deck, but I'm not sure how to prevent that issue from happening later. I plan on keeping that cover on at all times the pool is not in use, and to me it would seem like moisture is just going to get trapped in that area that way.
 
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Excellent write up and good plan. One idea is to purchase a sump pump, put it in the deep end and the exit hose in shallow end to circulate water and then add liquid chlorine to start killing the algae if you have to wait on a pump. I like the idea of going with a VS pump as that will provide you better performance going forward.

To do a proper SLAM you really need a good circulation system and a vacuum so adding LC now will just help kill existing algae but still need to filter or vacuum it out of the pool.

You really do need to open up the filter, just to be sure it is functional and may want to replace sand if needed.
Do you have only 1 skimmer? Can not tell based on your pictures. Is that your only suction?

You want to balance your pool chemistry with LC and then use the SWCG to maintain your desired FC levels. This way you get to your FC level quicker and you do not overwork your SWCG.

Do you have a timer or manual switch to turn on the pump? What else is in that "black box"?
Hooking up the heat pump is a low priority now. Too many other things to get working first.
Is there a pool light? If so, is the GFCI it is connected to working?
Where is the sub-panel that should have breakers for the pump and heat pump and light?

Keep us posted on your progress.
 
Get a Pentair IntelliFlo VSF. I don't own one but it's the only pump I'd buy if I needed to.

Also your calculations on cost savings are flawed. You will save MASSIVE amounts of power as compared to a single speed, mostly because you won't ever actually run it at top speed, rather you'll run it at the minimum possible speed to make your SWG happy and then however long you want to skim the surface for. I use ~6kWh a day to run my pump 16 hours including 2 hours of skimming and 2 hours of pool cleaner. A single speed would be 3-4 times that.

Good job getting the test kit lined up. You won't have any chlorine in the water but it will be important to know what your CYA, CH and Salt levels are to know if you will need to start off with a water replacement.

Is your pool plaster or fiberglass? Couldn't really tell.
 
Hi, all good stuff you wrote. Just a side note SWCG wise and that is if your already getting new make sure you purchase 2X the water capacity. Try to get some kind of calculation as to what the pool holds. You also need to know what Goldline box you have to be sure the cell of choice is compatible. This place is reputable and priced right for good quality. After market don't always last as promised.
 
Excellent write up and good plan. One idea is to purchase a sump pump, put it in the deep end and the exit hose in shallow end to circulate water and then add liquid chlorine to start killing the algae if you have to wait on a pump. I like the idea of going with a VS pump as that will provide you better performance going forward.

To do a proper SLAM you really need a good circulation system and a vacuum so adding LC now will just help kill existing algae but still need to filter or vacuum it out of the pool.

You really do need to open up the filter, just to be sure it is functional and may want to replace sand if needed.
Do you have only 1 skimmer? Can not tell based on your pictures. Is that your only suction?

You want to balance your pool chemistry with LC and then use the SWCG to maintain your desired FC levels. This way you get to your FC level quicker and you do not overwork your SWCG.

Do you have a timer or manual switch to turn on the pump? What else is in that "black box"?
Hooking up the heat pump is a low priority now. Too many other things to get working first.
Is there a pool light? If so, is the GFCI it is connected to working?
Where is the sub-panel that should have breakers for the pump and heat pump and light?

Keep us posted on your progress.

There's the one skimmer pictured as well as a floor drain, that's it for the pump intake from the pool.

This is my panel:20210724_144701_resize_38.jpg
It's a combined SWCG controller/ breaker box. The controller has relay outputs for controlling the pump/ lights/ heater, but according to my research no direct VSP control capability. So far all pump control I've done with it is pressing buttons on that panel.

I'm pretty sure I could program a schedule into the controller and use an unused aux output to schedule a VS drive, or just program whatever drive I get to do it. My two options I've investigated for drives both seem independently programmable.

There's a pool light, but it doesn't work and I haven't found a GFCI for it.

I don't have any tools in the new house, and the black box appears to have some screws holding it together. I have absolutely no idea what it does.
 
Get a Pentair IntelliFlo VSF. I don't own one but it's the only pump I'd buy if I needed to.

Also your calculations on cost savings are flawed. You will save MASSIVE amounts of power as compared to a single speed, mostly because you won't ever actually run it at top speed, rather you'll run it at the minimum possible speed to make your SWG happy and then however long you want to skim the surface for. I use ~6kWh a day to run my pump 16 hours including 2 hours of skimming and 2 hours of pool cleaner. A single speed would be 3-4 times that.

Good job getting the test kit lined up. You won't have any chlorine in the water but it will be important to know what your CYA, CH and Salt levels are to know if you will need to start off with a water replacement.

Is your pool plaster or fiberglass? Couldn't really tell.

Why do you like the Pentair over other drives? My calculations were comparing two VSDs to each other, not comparing VSD to single speed, that's why they're so close. The worse one has 9.58 WEF and I have a (rough estimate from dubiously trustworthy pool installer) 7000 gal pool. If I do on average (we close for winter) one full turnover every day that's 7/9.58 kWhr per day, compared to the other VS pump the quoted me with 10.9 WEF that would use 7/10.9 kWhr per day. By my calculations that's like $2 a year difference. Call it $5, since I'm sure those WEF numbers are collected under ideal conditions so power consumption will probably be a lot higher than my back-of- napkin calculations

Pool is fiberglass.
 
Turnover does not matter. You use the pump to create/distribute your chlorine, skim the surface, or heat the pool.

VS pumps have different qualities. It is felt the Pentair Intelliflo is the gold standard. For your situation, the Waterway may do just fine. Do install it with pump unions and in such a way you can move it out of the elements for the winter.
 
Why do you like the Pentair over other drives? My calculations were comparing two VSDs to each other, not comparing VSD to single speed, that's why they're so close. The worse one has 9.58 WEF and I have a (rough estimate from dubiously trustworthy pool installer) 7000 gal pool. If I do on average (we close for winter) one full turnover every day that's 7/9.58 kWhr per day, compared to the other VS pump the quoted me with 10.9 WEF that would use 7/10.9 kWhr per day. By my calculations that's like $2 a year difference. Call it $5, since I'm sure those WEF numbers are collected under ideal conditions so power consumption will probably be a lot higher than my back-of- napkin calculations

Pool is fiberglass.
Calculate as you wish but pool turnover is a complete myth. You get away with running the pump one hour a day if you were using liquid chlorine, you'd pour it in let the pump mix it 30-60 minutes and technically your pool is sanitized for the day. The rest of the pump time is owner preference, how many hours would it take to get the pool filtered and skimmed to his or her satisfaction. Going with SWCG takes a whole over approach. Its pool capacity/ SWCG output to reach a recommended FC per a given CYA. S I. E here on the forum run the vsp 24/7 @$20/month and only dial in the SWCG to compliment the necessary FC.
Marty beat me to it.
 
Hi, all good stuff you wrote. Just a side note SWCG wise and that is if your already getting new make sure you purchase 2X the water capacity. Try to get some kind of calculation as to what the pool holds. You also need to know what Goldline box you have to be sure the cell of choice is compatible. This place is reputable and priced right for good quality. After market don't always last as promised.

According to the SWCG panel, it takes "T-Cell-5 Only." I think that means my capacity is set unless I get a new SWCG board.
 
Turnover does not matter. You use the pump to create/distribute your chlorine, skim the surface, or heat the pool.

VS pumps have different qualities. It is felt the Pentair Intelliflo is the gold standard. For your situation, the Waterway may do just fine. Do install it with pump unions and in such a way you can move it out of the elements for the winter.
Are pump unions something I need to specifically request from the installer?

For that matter, should I be doing more work myself? My plan was to offload everything on an installer because I have enough new house stuff to do. There's no way I'm replacing an automated cover tarp myself, but is there a reason other than cost I should be installing my pad equipment?
 

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You can pay an installer. Just tell them you want pump unions on the pump.

The entire pad will eventually need to be reworked, but that can be done another day. For instance, the ball valves will not last long and should all be changed to Jandy type Neverlube valves. But again, that is longer term.

A T5 SWCG cell will be fine if you have a 7000 gallon pool.
 
Congratulations! My only observation is there doesn’t seem to be enough room for that slide. When researching a slide for our pool there are specific requirements for the “envelope” of clear water. Maybe it is just the perspective of the picture. Good luck 👍
 
Congratulations! My only observation is there doesn’t seem to be enough room for that slide. When researching a slide for our pool there are specific requirements for the “envelope” of clear water. Maybe it is just the perspective of the picture. Good luck 👍
TBH the area in front of the slide looks way too small to me, and it's pretty rickety besides. Right now the only thing I'm counting on it for is evaporative cooling in the summer if I need it:unsure:
 
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