About to get a Sport Pool. Will my daughter hate me? Am I just Cheap?

I said I'd get you a pic of my skimmer, apparently the skimmer heard that and didn't collect as much as usual...on a normal day, you can't see any water because the crepe myrtle seeds and flowers completely cover it...but here's what I got this morning in the skimmer that always has less than the other one:

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Talk to two bids. Both said would cost more. Not sure why...but not being free form, it throws it off. This is what one said when I asked 3.5-5-4'

"The shallow end is a fixed depth of 40" with about 36" of actual water.
The panels and steps are all 40".
In order to go deeper there would need to be little side walls all the way around the shallow end which would cost more and probably not something you'd be happy with"

I'm already looking at 30+k on this, with a max of 35k to include a fence. I'm fine with vinyl but these companies/owners offer these panels not full concrete.
 
I think 3 ft is too shallow for anything. 4/5/4 or 3.5/5/4 is much better.

Oh, and the answer to your question is:
Build a pool for your daughter (any pool) and she will love you for it.
 
My kids would have been very disappointed without a deep end (ours is eight feet). We have no diving board and don't allow them to dive from the deck. But they love being able to swim for things in the deep end (like throw a coin in and try to get it before it hits the bottom) and just plain hang out there. You may want to put a bench on the wall so they can swim to it if they get tired. It's also good to be able to stand on it and have a catch and then jump in from there.

I agree that there feet would be a bad decision and would stick with 3 1/2 or 4 as the minimum. However it would be
good to have small sun deck that is about eight inches deep or so. I think very young kids would enjoy playing there and grownups enjoy sitting there as well.
 
We just finished ours - have been swimming about a month. We got a Sports Pool 3.5 - 5 - 4.5. We were like you, had NEVER been in or heard of a sports pool. But it totally made sense to us once we started researching. It was the cause of many arguments - we just didn't know what to go with and were afraid we wouldn't like it. For us the cost was the same up to 7' deep - but to make it where it was an incline that I was comfortable with - we would have had to make the pool longer to have a true deep end. So going over 7" would have cost more that way.

FF a month - BEST DECISION EVER!!!!! We cannonball in the center and have never hit the bottom - the entire pool is usable and we have LOTS of people in it - constantly. Everyone that gets into the pool absolutely loves it and can't believe they haven't seen one before. 2 people in my neighborhood are building pools right now and after swimming in mine - changed theirs to a sports pool.

We love it!

HOWEVER. Do what makes you happy - spending extra to get a deep end - if that is what you want - do it. For us, sports pool was a great decision! Can't wait to see it happening!
 
wxguy23, one thing to keep in mind is that many of the active people on these forums all have gunite or concrete pools, which allows for more freedom in depths that you dont get with a vinyl lined steel wall in ground pool. Those types of pools come at a bigger price as well. Especially if you live in an area the pool season is not the full year long.

I have a very strong opinion on this topic, so I hope I do not come off too much as my opinion is the only one that is right.

People will congregate in any pool, whether a sport pool or a diving pool. People want to be able to hold a conversation if they are not actively swimming or playing a game. No matter your decision, your daughter will be very happy with having a pool. And any friends she brings over will be happy with being in a pool.

Ask yourself what are you going to do in your pool. Here are things that people are likely to say.

-Play Volleyball
-Play Basketball
-Swim laps
-Tread Water
-Float (maybe on a Noodle) and allow your feet to dangle and be weightless
-Diving Board dives and flips
-Cannonballs
-Jumping into the pool
-Diving in to the pool from the side of the pool
-Lay on a raft
-Put stuff on the bottom of the pool and dive for it
-Just sit in the water
-Just stand in the water
-Do Front or Back flips in the water
-Hang out and talk
-Try to swim the length of the pool underwater
-Dive in and try to stay underwater the whole length of the pool (and back maybe)
-Sit on the edge of the pool and dangle your feet in the water

Out of all of these things, the only ones that require the sport style configuration are to Play Volleyball and to Play Basketball. While these are great activities, how often do you plan to do these things. If you have fewer people that will swim regularly (ie a small family) then most of the time these team sports aren't going to happen. So for me, while fun, designing a pool based upon an activity that will rarely be done seems kind of silly. Now if you had a family of 6 or 8 people, then maybe more emphasis should be put into this feature.

As far as the shallow end of 3.5 feet versus 3 feet, here are the activities that are better when the shallow end is a bit deeper (like 6 inches or 12 inches).
Stand in the water
Swim Laps
You might say jumping in, but I'm not sure that an extra 6 inches of water will really make this activity better or safer.
For kids the extra 6 inches might make doing flips in the water easier/possible.

Here is where I am going to weigh in on my opinion. If you don’t value volleyball or basketball all that much (and I don’t) then the best things in a pool require some amount of depth. Having your feet dangle, diving in off of the side, cannonballs, retrieving things off the bottom, treading water, those things all require some depth. As someone who is over six foot tall, and is not skinny, I would suggest that having an area that is 6 foot minimum depth is essential in a pool to allow for those things. So if you need 6 foot depth, that is too deep for a proper sport pool, so at that point, you might as go with a traditional shallow end deep end pool. Because I like to just dive in off the side of the pool (no fancy dives) and enjoy diving down deep, I would suggest going with the traditional 8 foot depth diving well pool, even if you don’t have a diving board, which I do not. But if you want an extra couple feet of shallow 3 foot end, then only go down to 7 foot.

When buying a vinyl pool, the best bang for your buck is almost always in an oval pool. The different between a pool that is 32 feet long, 36 feet long or 40 feet long is simply a matter of a bit more excavation, and adding in an extra piece of side wall on the pool. It then causes your concrete deck to be a bit longer.

For most vinyl builders, the true sweet spot is 18x36 or 18x40. If you look at all of the price options you will see what I am referring to.

As for making the pool a bit fancier, the jets in the pool deck while fancy, to me seem a bit out of place in a pool that is not super extravagant. Also, how many jets do you have to have to make the jets worthwhile. If you builder charges you $1K per jet, you might need 4-6 of them to look right, and you can do a lot for that amount of money. For me, you have to be careful or to use a car analogy, the jets can seem like installing a GPS navigation system into a Yugo, just a feature that is out of place. For the costs of a jet, to me a better bang for your buck in a vinyl pool is a cuddle cove, sun shelf, deep end swim out, of bench. A cheap way to create a sun shelf in your pool is to turn the top shelf in your stairs into a sun shelf and have vinyl over steel stairs rather than the fiberglass white stair inserts. You can see an example HERE.

Another good place to put your money is into the decking around the pool. Make sure that you have enough area for people to layout around the pool. Very few things bother me more than seeing someone spend $40K or more on a pool, and en up with the concrete area around the pool being so small that they cannot fit chairs, a patio table and a few chaise lounges without having to walk in the grass.
 
I grew up with a diving pool (my house, and both my friends houses all had diving pools). An you get a bunch of boys together in the summer and it's all diving board antics.

Now my 72 year old dad is the one taking care of that pool year after year. He gets in for a few minutes in the summer after doing some yard work. The diving board is loose and scary.

For my wife and I and our 6 yr old daughter, at the time, we built a 4-5-4. Though, when I stand in the middle on the main drain, I'm 5'11" and the water is at my chin. I wander all over the pool just shooting baskets or doing diving sticks. It's perfect for us, but my daughter would probably like a diving pool.

So, there's not really a right answer. short term/long term, kids vs adults...
 
Thank you all!
Talked with preferred PB...to go 3 1/2 - 5 - 4', he's charging me extra for the dig and custom liner. Total $600. Not bad. He is nickel and diming me, but for complete automation and upgrades on pumps, filters, robotic cleaner...etc, he is still the cheapest.

This is still a big discussion, but for the size of the pool, sport might be the best fit. If I could do 20x40, I would do the deep end.

YEV, the deck jets...purely an add on, but we are getting 3 at $200 a piece, including automation with light and filter on my phone and remote. Not the end of the world. Think my daughter would love to play in them for years. Me, meh. But we can always turn them off if desired.
Also for concrete, the best that fits is 12' on shallow end, 8' on left for future slide, and 4' around the rest of the pool, and room for landscaping/fence.

I appreciate every one's help. First time to do this, and last I need is to think "we should have done this...." after dropping 35K
 

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Not to high jack this thread but given the design of my pool where the biggest and widest part of my pool is in the center, I wanted to do a hybrid sport pool that is 3.5"-5.5"-4.5". Do you guys think I should go 4"-6"-4"?
To me, the 6 ft depth makes no sense. It too deep for anyone to stand in and not deep enough for diving. Doing a play pool a 5 ft. should be the deepest. My pool is 3.5/5/4, but my choice would be 4/5/4.

BTW: If you had the sun shelf on the same side as the spa that design would be identical to my pool. PM if you want details.
 
To me, the 6 ft depth makes no sense. It too deep for anyone to stand in and not deep enough for diving. Doing a play pool a 5 ft. should be the deepest. My pool is 3.5/5/4, but my choice would be 4/5/4.

BTW: If you had the sun shelf on the same side as the spa that design would be identical to my pool. PM if you want details.

Totally agree with the 4-5-4. But I kind of like a deep end. Thus why I thought of a hybrid sport pool where the deep end is in the middle.
 
Our deep end is 8'. Love it. The kids (11 &12) and all the cousins, etc. have a blast doing cannonballs and flips off of the diving board. I think my kids would get bored with a shallow pool. Just my thoughts. All kids are different! :)
 

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