Pool equipment update

[sande005]

And....once you get the setting for the current season dialed in, your need for testing goes way down too! The only routine chemical you may need to add on a weekly/semi-monthly basis: muriatic acid.
No chlorine of any kind. When all is balanced, no need to even have any on hand. I bought 2 cases of liquid last spring, and have now aged them to almost 0% concentration. My tablets are 3 yrs old (from prior to salt conversion), and only used in a floater if I go away for a week or more.
Yes, you will have to add CYA perhaps once a year. Maybe deal with high TA (or very rarely low TA) a couple of times a year. Salt once or twice a year.
CH only if your fill water is extremely low in it.
Finally, you can run your pump 24/7 at a very low speed, which saves massive amounts of electricity - so your bill will be far lower.

 

[Newdude]

Pesh, do you like lugging 1000 jugs ? The IC60 makes about 1000 jugs worth of FC.

I absolutely LOVE *not lugging 1000 jugs*.

It happens to be considerably cheaper in the long run to not lug jugs, but i would legit pay more if I had to. Lots more. But Yay!!! it's actually cheaper.

 

[sande005]

OK, I'll back off from my Rainbows stated above a tiny bit. A SWCG does stop making Cl below about 50-60 degrees. So if your water temp drops below, you'll have to rely on liquid. But at colder temps, and much less sunlight, you'll need at lot less than at other times. And for some, the electrical install part can drive the price higher than they like - but in your case with everything else you will be doing, the installation will be a snap.

 

[Pesh]

In talking with some pool builders, my pool has limestone coping and a natural stone waterfall. I was told that SWCG would erode the stone over time and create other issues. Also, we do get cold water temps during winter, like right now my Intellicenter says water temp is 42F.

Perhaps, SWCG is just not right for me.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Pesh,

You should get what you want, not what we want...

I am 100% a SWCG guy, but our job is to give you advice, your job is to pick the advice that works best for you.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Pesh]

@Jimrahbe I agree. I truly appreciate the forum and learning from knowledgable people, like yourself. I didnt build my pool, it came with my house. However, if I did, I would've used materials to support the ability to have SWCG. I'm convinced of its benefits thanks to you and others.

 

[Pesh]

Anyone have pictures and success with rodent-proofing their new MasterTemp 400?

Also, does rodent-proofing affect or void Pentair warranty?

 

[JamesW]

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[Pesh]

Sadly, Pentair was not much help. They only confirmed that rodent-related damage is not covered under warranty. But modifying their poor design to prevent rodents may or may not void the warranty

 

[Pesh]

I am preparing to replace my 10+ year old MasterTemp 400 with a new MasterTemp 400. My supply house has given me two options. The standard 400 and the "upgraded" 400-EC with higher grade metal components. I'm curious if the upgraded (more expensive) EC version is really worth it?

 

[JamesW]

Products beginning with EC- are exclusive to e-commerce sales.

Authorized Dealers sell "TradeGrade" Products.

I think you mean MasterTemp 400HD.

HD has a cupronickel heat exchanger, which is less efficient.

Standard copper heat exchanger 84% efficient.

Heavy-duty (HD) cupro-nickel heat exchanger 82% efficient.

There is also a MasterTemp 400 ASME, which is a commercial version.

TradeGrade products are intended to be exclusive to retail stores (brick & mortar), pool builders, or pool service companies. Inground TradeGrade products are backed by full parts and labor coverage. View the list of TradeGrade Products.

Consumable items contain a one (1) year warranty and include but are not limited to the following: o-rings, seals, gaskets, cartridge elements, D.E. grids and cartridges, external valves, pump mechanical seals, light bulbs, UV lamps, pH and ORP probes, cleaner hoses, bags, tires, and tracks. Consumable items will be repaired or replaced if the defect is proven to be the responsibility of Pentair.

Professional Installation not required for: IntelliChlor® (w/o Power Center), iChlor® (w/o Power Center), Cleaners, Maintenance Equipment, Replacement Parts, and Above Ground Systems. All other products require professional installation.

*Professional Installation – Defined as product installation by a qualified professional who charges a fee for their services, and possesses a business license, and/or contractor's license.

Common examples of a “qualified professional” include: Swimming Pool, Home Repair or Landscape Professional; Plumber or Electrician; General Contractor; Heating and Air Conditioning Specialist.

Pool Product Warranty Information

Whether you are planning a pool party for friends and family or prefer the serene sensation of a calm pool, Pentair has the pool and spa solutions just for you.

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[JamesW]

Exceptions that may result in denial of a warranty claim:

Damage caused by careless handling, improper repackaging, or shipping.

Damage due to misapplication, misuse, abuse or failure to operate equipment as specified in the owner's manual.

Damage caused by failure to install products as specified in the owner's manual.

Damage due to unauthorized product modifications or failure to use Pentair original replacement parts.

Damage caused by negligence, or failure to properly maintain products as specified in the owner's manual.

Damage caused by failure to maintain water chemistry in conformity with the standards of the swimming pool industry for any length of time.

Damage caused by water freezing inside the product.

Accidental damage, fire, acts of God, or other circumstances outside the control of Pentair.

 

[JamesW]

TradeGrade has a 2 year warranty and requires professional installation.

 

[Pesh]

@JamesW do you know if buying "trade grade" thru my local Pool Installer (one-man-shop) would be eligible for the 3-year bundle warranty from Pentair? My installer worked for a large Austin-area Pool Service Company for 10+ years and in the industry for 30 years. So he knows what he's doing. Just hope an invoice from him showing all the Pentair products (filter, heater, pump, lights, etc.) with installation date will suffice for Pentair 3-year Warranty.

 

[JamesW]

 

[Pesh]

@JamesW based on the above, do you think installing stainless steel screens, like those from mkratproofing.com, would void the MasterTemp warranty? They are installed on the outside of the until and just screw thru the plastic shell to attach to keep rodents out.

 

[JamesW]

@JamesW do you know if buying "trade grade" thru my local Pool Installer (one-man-shop) would be eligible for the 3-year bundle warranty from Pentair?

*Professional Installation – Defined as product installation by a qualified professional who charges a fee for their services, and possesses a business license, and/or contractor's license.

Common examples of a “qualified professional” include: Swimming Pool, Home Repair or Landscape Professional; Plumber or Electrician; General Contractor; Heating and Air Conditioning Specialist.

 

[Pesh]

@JamesW sounds like the guy I'm planning to work with would qualify.

 

[JamesW]

It depends on exactly what the warranty claim is.

The assigned service tech has to determine if the malfunction is due to defects in workmanship and/or materials or due to some aspect outside the control of the manufacturer.

Sometimes it's not clear and it is decided by someone's opinion of what caused the problem.

 

[JamesW]

Register the warranty as soon as installation is complete..

Three-year bundle warranty includes parts and labor coverage.

Three-Year Bundle Warranty Program Terms and Conditions:

Three (3) year coverage includes parts and labor for all whole goods.

Consumable items limited to one (1) year coverage.

Qualifying equipment must be on a single invoice and installed at same residential property.

A copy of the bill of sale must be included with registration to qualify.

Does not apply to products purchased from the internet or online resellers.

The products must be purchased from a brick-and-mortar retailer, pool builder, or pool service professional in order to qualify for the bundled warranty.

This warranty extension is void where prohibited.

Pentair reserves the right to modify, amend, or terminate this program without prior notice.