16 July 2024 Finishing Up my OB Pool

Great comments, thank you much Kim! I have a question into DIY to find out when I do final and location for the lights. I have one more free revision to the preliminary design and will address the other comments you made. Good ideas!

Chris
 
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I am kind of rethinking the house side bench...................We KNOW someone will come running out of the house and cannon ball right into the pool. I am a bit worried they might not jump far enough out to miss the bench. Something to weigh back and forth.
 
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Might put the bench at the other wall so that we can sit and watch the TV From The Far Side of the pool. The TV will actually drop down from the soffit and be able to spin 360 degrees. Some will probably watch it from the bench so, others will float around with a cold beverage in hand. I used to do that all the time at our previous place.
 
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Are your neighbors like, “who’s the weirdo building the bomb shelter on the block??” Or is block wall construction common there? I love c-block!

Honestly speaking, I hate how homes are built here in the desert southwest - wood frame and stucco. Cheap and flimsy, wouldn’t survive a breezy day in FL or even make it through the night in a FL rain storm. But that’s how construction is around here because the only weather we get is … HOT. As long as you can slap an AC on it somewhere and get the interior 20-30 degrees cooler than the exterior, that’s all that matters.
 
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Are your neighbors like, “who’s the weirdo building the bomb shelter on the block??” Or is block wall construction common there? I love c-block!

Honestly speaking, I hate how homes are built here in the desert southwest - wood frame and stucco. Cheap and flimsy, wouldn’t survive a breezy day in FL or even make it through the night in a FL rain storm. But that’s how construction is around here because the only weather we get is … HOT. As long as you can slap an AC on it somewhere and get the interior 20-30 degrees cooler than the exterior, that’s all that matters.
There are only 2 ways to meet the new Florida Building Code. Steel reinforced CMU or galvanized steel frame panels with 3" gunite sprayed on after assembly. I checked on both. The steel frame method was over 2x cost which on this house would have been $280,000 more. That would have meant no pool and no back porch, one less BR, plus nix the 12' ceilings. Easy decision to go CMU.
 

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There are only 2 ways to meet the new Florida Building Code. Steel reinforced CMU or galvanized steel frame panels with 3" gunite sprayed on after assembly. I checked on both. The steel frame method was over 2x cost which on this house would have been $280,000 more. That would have meant no pool and no back porch, one less BR, plus nix the 12' ceilings. Easy decision to go CMU.

Wow!! Florida has pretty serious building code. I assume they want all new construction to be as hurricane resistant as possible. I can understand that. Seems like every storm that blows through costs a billion dollars or more to fix. Then again, FL is basically a giant swamp … with nice beaches and decent mojito’s …
 
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Oooh I’m really enjoying the behind the scenes scoop! How long will this c-block part take?
Actually, it's pretty fast. Will be done with all the block 5-7 days after start. Would be quicker except I have 12' ceilings. But there's a lot more to do than the block. I have almost 30 masonry openings for windows and doors. FBC requires a concrete-filled block with steel reinforcement on both sides of every opening. Then they have to be finished to tolerance for the impact windows and doors that require special fit and fasteners. Then we fly the trusses mid-May. Setting will take 3-5 days then another 2 weeks to add all the bracing and connectors that strap to a bond beam that is concrete filled on top of all the block. I'll almost have a bomb shelter when we're done and it seems like it's way over-designed until your sitting there inside with a cat 5 storm that was supposed to only be cat 3 and it's now too late to leave.

Chris
 
Just curious what made you go C Block vs ICF? Im in the Carolinas which isn't as strict as Fl miami dade code. But part of my house was built in the 90s out of c block and it was only about 5% higher to go ICF when I did additions last year. (next on the list is upgrading the original house windows and doors to impact rated to match the new ones, but that's down the road a bit) now that siding is on you can't tell them apart but the rooms already feel quieter and cooler than the C block parts. Just curious if there's any advantages of one over the other?

Regardless I'm just glad not to be in a stick built house like I had in when I was in Dallas, and from what neighbors tell me im in one of the few areas in NC that does Concrete. The ones on the beach are still stick built, where I feel you'd want as strong of wall as possible lol.

Def a cool thread to follow btw, excited to see the concurrent construction of both house and pool.
 
I did consider c f block but with covid and supply chain costs are up 22%. So I have had to watch costs closely. We splurged in some areas anyway like minimum12 ft ceilings, thousand square foot patio and a few other areas. Also there were quite a few bidders for traditional block and I couldn't find a CF block shell Builder. rather than complicate my supply chain I stuck with that after I did look quickly at steel frame Gunite. But I think CF block is definitely worth looking at in normal times.

Chris
 
I did consider c f block but with covid and supply chain costs are up 22%. So I have had to watch costs closely. We splurged in some areas anyway like minimum12 ft ceilings, thousand square foot patio and a few other areas. Also there were quite a few bidders for traditional block and I couldn't find a CF block shell Builder. rather than complicate my supply chain I stuck with that after I did look quickly at steel frame Gunite. But I think CF block is definitely worth looking at in normal times.

Chris
Understood completely. Its a really weird time to be doing any sort of construction. Builder I used would do either. But after considering furring out interior walls to insulate, plus added materials the cost difference wasn't that much greater than doing C block, and the build up and pour happened really fast. the only thing im not crazy about are the plastic "tabs" that the drywall and siding are mounted too. I almost went with stucco, but it wouldn't have matched up to the rest of the house then. Still amazed how thick all the window sills are though lol.
 
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07 May 2022 Update

Folks,
Lot's of progress over the last two weeks and May is a huge month for both the house and the pool aspects of my OB:
  • We got past the lintel failure... oh right I may not have mentioned that. In the back of the house we have load bearing columns on the outside edges of the patio (photo's below will clarify). Pre-cast 12"X8" lintels filled with concrete and rebar after setting spread the load. After setting 3 of the 5, 10' spans cracked in the middle all the way though. Clearly defective. Supplier tried to get me to agree to an epoxy repair... I think they thought they'ed get away with this because I'm an OB. Anyway they agreed to replace. The shell builder picked the supplier so they are picking up the cost to remove and re-install.
  • The lintel activity had a lot of float so I'm still on the one week delayed schedule even though the required block and column inspection was delayed.
  • Truss fabrication started right on time and they've completed about half of the required. These trusses are very high quality so far! (photo below)
  • We pour the remaining 30 yd into the structural columns around the house, window sills, plus the bond beam on top Monday.
  • First load of trusses arrive Tuesday, crane arrives Thursday, and trusses will complete on Tuesday of following week. Weekend to catch up if needed.
  • We then wind down to dried in over next 4 weeks, sometime early-mid June!
  • Pool permit application has started and will be submitted in about 2 weeks after I get detailed design from DIY Pools and Spa's. We're very early in the process with DIY but so far the experience has been fantastic. And I hope I may have a little easier time now that I understand how the permitting works in Martin County and have established a few important relationships. As I mentioned previously, Martin County Building Department have been a delight to work with. They've been extremely helpful to this newbie to their system.
Chris

View from street, garages left and right with entrance in middle
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View at top of block showing bond beam channel
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The infamous replacement lintels and columns from back yard
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Trusses at the fab yard
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Were the lintels just cast concrete with rebar or did the do any pre-tensioning ? I would think that lintels that length (10ft) would need some pre-tensioning to compensate for the sag forces. Just doing unloaded rebar seems inadequate for load-bearing member that will experience deflection forces.
 
I am short circuiting over the his/hers garages. Then again, I'm sure it would be no different than 'my' side of the bed or closet.
 
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I am short circuiting over the his/hers garages. Then again, I'm sure it would be no different than 'my' side of the bed or closet.

We all know what your side of the garage would look like - car parts and spent beer cans strewn all over with greasy rags and a half disassembled engine up on blocks. Cardboard boxes and plastic bins full of stuff randomly lying about but all fully categorized and searchable only in your mind … “1/2” deep socket … ummmm … over there in the yellow bin … just dig down to the bottom somewhere. The socket wrench is on the other side of the garage in the red drawer of that cabinet with all the grease stains … grab me a beer on your way back over …
 

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