Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Page 1 of 5 1234 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 87

Thread: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

  1. Back To Top    #1
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    How long does it take an SWG to start producing chlorine? They just turned on our IC40 on Monday and added the salt. The IC40 was registering 3500 later the same day.

    Yesterday, there was only 1 FC so PB checked settings on IC40 to make sure all was okay and it was at 50%. He bumped it to 70% and we added 1/2 gallon of chlorine because I was concerned with my CYA at 60 to have so little FC. Today we still don't seem to be getting any output from the SWG even though everything seems normal.

    Here are my test results today: (I haven't added anything yet.)
    PH 7.8
    TA 110
    CH 340
    FC 1
    CC .2
    Salt Test 3600-3800
    IC40 registers 3650

    I asked PB why we don't have more chlorine yet and he suggested adding more salt and, "We can try doing a 24 hour salt boost kind of like shocking the pool with the salt cell"

    That doesn't seem like a good solution to me, especially with my twins' bday party on Saturday. I asked him to wait and let me ask here. Thoughts???




    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  2. Back To Top    #2

    In the Industry

    duraleigh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Sebring, Florida
    Posts
    30,083

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Bring your FC up to 6 ppm manually by adding chlorine now. I have no idea what is wrong with your SWG but you must chlorinate your pool if you're planning to swim Saturday.

    Fixing the SWG is not your priority.

    Bringing the FC up to 6 ppm and keeping it there is.
    Dave S.
    42k vinyl and concrete pool, 1.5hp pump, 140gpm filter
    TFTestkits , PoolMath , Pool School

  3. Back To Top    #3
    harleysilo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    North Georgia
    Posts
    1,924

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Capture some water coming out of one of your returns (take a ziploc bag and open it under water in front of return, take a hose hold one end over return collect water from other end, figure out some other way) and test it and see what the CL level is.

    For what you built PB should be slappin' in a new one.....and your pool surface is AMAZING!
    18'x43' Sport Pool
    19,000 Gallons Vinyl Liner 3'-3.5'-4'
    SWCG and D.E. Filter
    Test Kits - Pool Calculator - Chlorine/CYA Chart - Pool School

    Secret Weapon for Pool Chemistry Testing

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Mod Squad Jimrahbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Bedford, TX
    Posts
    5,322

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Looks to me like your pool is about 33K gallons. I believe that makes your IC40 much too small for your pool. My guess you will need to run your pump 24/7 and the SWG at 70% just to stay even.

    mgmoore7 has a SWG calculator which should be more specific.

    I'd tell the PB you should have gotten the IC60.

    Jim R.
    Finished in 2015 - 17K Gal, IG, 20' x 25' Almost Rectangular Pool, Pebble finish, three rockport water falls. Pentair Equipment: EasyTouch 4, IC40 SWG, 3 HP VS Pump, CCP520 Cartridge Filter.
    TF100 with SpeedStir and SampleSizer, ColorQ Pro 7, Dolphin Premier Robot Cleaner, added Screen Logic 2, added small 3 person Calder Spa.

  5. Back To Top    #5

    In the Industry

    bdavis466's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Riverside, CA
    Posts
    3,286

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Adding salt will not produce more chlorine...use that salt to leave a perimeter around the house that will hopefully keep the pool builder away. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard and good for you for not going along with it.

    Don't use the cell to "boost" chlorine levels, use liquid chlorine. Its cheap and the results are immediate without shortening the life of your cell.
    -Brian-
    33K Pool/Spa, Pentair Equipment
    POOL BUILD
    Davis Custom Construction - Home Page

  6. Back To Top    #6
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Okay, so my pool is just under 14,000 gallons so the IC40 should be appropriate. I have the Taylor 2006c but I don't have anything in it for testing CL? How do I do that?

    I'm adding about a quart left in one gallon and another whole gallon of 8.25% now to start getting my FC up manually.

    What next?


    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Go to chlorinator diagnostics in easytouch to see what that says.

  8. Back To Top    #8

    In the Industry

    bdavis466's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Riverside, CA
    Posts
    3,286

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiesmommy2009 View Post
    Okay, so my pool is just under 14,000 gallons so the IC40 should be appropriate. I have the Taylor 2006c but I don't have anything in it for testing CL? How do I do that?

    I'm adding about a quart left in one gallon and another whole gallon of 8.25% now to start getting my FC up manually.

    What next?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Did I miss it, how many hours are you running the cell?

    What do you mean you don't have anything to test CL?
    -Brian-
    33K Pool/Spa, Pentair Equipment
    POOL BUILD
    Davis Custom Construction - Home Page

  9. Back To Top    #9
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    Did I miss it, how many hours are you running the cell?

    What do you mean you don't have anything to test CL?
    As far as I can tell he's been running it at 50% 24/7 since Monday until yesterday when he turned it up to 70% since I only had 1 FC (which I still think came from the half gallon I had him add of liquid chlorine).

    My kit tests FC & CC (FAS-DPD), pH, TA, CH, and CYA. Am I mixing CL up with another abbreviation?

    I have ScreenLogic if that helps but I don't know how to use the configuration yet since pool is still technically under PB. She didn't teach me during pool school.

    I went to the EasyTouch and found diagnostics for the chlorinator. It says Salt: 3650 ppm and Status is [OK - NO ERRORS]

    On the SWG itself the Salt Level light is green for Good, and Status is Cell and Flow. All green, solid, and not flashing.

    How do I check how long it's running?

    I have my pool running on max right now to get chlorine worked through. I'll get hubby to add a little MA when he gets home (I don't want to do it with my asthma today) to make sure pH stays okay since I'm going to turn on all my water features to make sure the chlorine gets everywhere since I've been very low a solid two days now. How long does the pool need to run before I can see an accurate FC test?




    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  10. Back To Top    #10

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    It's probably working. If it wasn't, it would tell you.

  11. Back To Top    #11
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    It's probably working. If it wasn't, it would tell you.
    But it was turned on Monday and we aren't getting any chlorine. I'm having to add liquid bleach manually. How long does it take to generate chlorine?


    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  12. Back To Top    #12
    Mod Squad Jimrahbe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Bedford, TX
    Posts
    5,322

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiesmommy2009 View Post
    Okay, so my pool is just under 14,000 gallons so the IC40 should be appropriate.
    Ok, maybe just me, but when I put 38 x23 in pool math it says your average depth would have to be about 2' and I doubt that is true.. ??? I'm puzzled. Are your numbers in your signature correct?

    Jim R.
    Finished in 2015 - 17K Gal, IG, 20' x 25' Almost Rectangular Pool, Pebble finish, three rockport water falls. Pentair Equipment: EasyTouch 4, IC40 SWG, 3 HP VS Pump, CCP520 Cartridge Filter.
    TF100 with SpeedStir and SampleSizer, ColorQ Pro 7, Dolphin Premier Robot Cleaner, added Screen Logic 2, added small 3 person Calder Spa.

  13. Back To Top    #13

    In the Industry

    bdavis466's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Riverside, CA
    Posts
    3,286

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    FC = Free chlorine
    CC= combined chlorine
    CL= chloride?

    FAS DPD measures chlorine. Add enough liquid chlorine to get to 6ppm and check back this time tomorrow.

    Log into ScreenLogic, go to schedules, POOL. What times are present?
    -Brian-
    33K Pool/Spa, Pentair Equipment
    POOL BUILD
    Davis Custom Construction - Home Page

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    When it's producing chlorine, you should see hydrogen bubbles coming out of the returns. They look like tiny Champagne bubbles.

  15. Back To Top    #15
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Ok, maybe just me, but when I put 38 x23 in pool math it says your average depth would have to be about 2' and I doubt that is true.. ??? I'm puzzled. Are your numbers in your signature correct?

    Jim R.
    Yes, but I think they include my shelf which is like 11'x9' or something and 9" deep. I was confused by this at first too but they had it calculated by the newest version of Pool Studio and my chemical tests and additions based on 14000 seem to be working out accurately in Pool Math. My depths are 3.5' - 5'.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    FC = Free chlorine
    CC= combined chlorine
    CL= chloride?

    FAS DPD measures chlorine. Add enough liquid chlorine to get to 6ppm Ave check back this time tomorrow.

    Log into ScreenLogic, go to schedules, POOL. What times are present?
    I was thinking maybe CL was Chlorine Level.. . Is it Sodium Chloride for the salt then? I have that test and did it already though it had to be purchased separate from my kit. I went back and looked at all of my papers from Pool School on TFP and can't find an abbreviation of CL. I think that's why I'm confused about it.

    Does the SWG just run on the same schedule as my pumps or is it separate?

    Will we be good to swim on Saturday? We have 20 or so kids coming. What happens now that I've added all this liquid chlorine if the SWG decides to start producing?



    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  16. Back To Top    #16
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    When it's producing chlorine, you should see hydrogen bubbles coming out of the returns. They look like tiny Champagne bubbles.
    I don't see bubbles of any kind. Just the usual water movement. It is almost dark out but I turned the pool lights on and got down near the water even to try and see. I can't actually see anything coming out of the returns, just the movement further out in the water from them. I didn't notice anything earlier either.


    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  17. Back To Top    #17

    In the Industry

    bdavis466's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Riverside, CA
    Posts
    3,286

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    The SWG is active when the POOL or SPA circuit is active. Yours is currently running for 11 hours which if the lower gallonage estimate is correct, should be plenty time to maintain the chlorine level you desire.

    With 60 ppm of CYA, your water is perfect safe to swim in at chlorine levels up to 24 ppm...no way your cell can produce that in a day regardless of what you feed it (pool builder salt?).

    So long as all of the lights on the cell are on and happy, you should be producing chlorine. The cell does cycle throughout its runtime. Are you sure it isn't cycled off during the time you were looking at the returns.

    Sodium Chloride (NaCl) is salt
    -Brian-
    33K Pool/Spa, Pentair Equipment
    POOL BUILD
    Davis Custom Construction - Home Page

  18. Back To Top    #18

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Hope Mills, NC
    Posts
    556

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    SWG's are great at maintaining a chlorine level, but not so good at starting from zero and raising chlorine levels. Hit it with enough bleach and it shoyld be able to hold your value.

    Adding bleach will also rescue your Saturday, it will be a great party!
    16 x 32 17500 gallons
    Vinyl in-ground
    Hayward 250# Sand Filter
    1 HP Pump
    Hayward SWG

  19. Back To Top    #19
    twinkiesmommy2009's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Cypress
    Posts
    1,679

    SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    Quote Originally Posted by bdavis466 View Post
    The SWG is active when the POOL or SPA circuit is active. Yours is currently running for 11 hours which if the lower gallonage estimate is correct, should be plenty time to maintain the chlorine level you desire.

    With 60 ppm of CYA, your water is perfect safe to swim in at chlorine levels up to 24 ppm...no way your cell can produce that in a day regardless of what you feed it (pool builder salt?).

    So long as all of the lights on the cell are on and happy, you should be producing chlorine. The cell does cycle throughout its runtime. Are you sure it isn't cycled off during the time you were looking at the returns.

    Sodium Chloride (NaCl) is salt
    That makes me feel better. What is the lowest level it would be safe to swim in (just in case) and where kind I find that information for the future?

    I'm pretty sure it was on when I looked because there was a lot of movement from the returns but just in case I went out now and turned it all on, waited for all the lights to go green on the cell and looked at all the returns. Even turned the flashlight on my phone on to look closely but I don't see any bubbles of any kind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Griswald View Post
    SWG's are great at maintaining a chlorine level, but not so good at starting from zero and raising chlorine levels. Hit it with enough bleach and it shoyld be able to hold your value.

    Adding bleach will also rescue your Saturday, it will be a great party!
    Good to know! Thanks! I hope so!




    Started 5/31/16. 38'x23', 618 sqft., <14,000 gallons, 8' spa.Travertine coping. Raised beam w/3 sheers. Large sunshelf w/3 bubblers. SWG IC40, Pentair VSP, 520 cartridge, color LED lights, Easy-touch, screen logic, Maytronics S300i robot, and Wet Edge Prism Matrix finish (Deep Sea Blue with Indigo plaster). Build Thread: Another in Texas - Cypress Texas | MUD District | HOA Approval | Great Escapes Pools

  20. Back To Top    #20

    In the Industry

    duraleigh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Sebring, Florida
    Posts
    30,083

    Re: SWG not producing chlorine? Help!

    I will suggest once more that if you intend to have your party day after tomorrow, understanding your SWG is not your priority.

    You need some chlorine in your pool RIGHT NOW.
    Dave S.
    42k vinyl and concrete pool, 1.5hp pump, 140gpm filter
    TFTestkits , PoolMath , Pool School

Page 1 of 5 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •