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    Just had new pool start up

    Did not help much
    Pool calcium is at 170
    FC= 0.2
    PH= 7.8

    He added 1/2 gallon of acid and said adding chlorine would be a waste as there is no CYA in the pool??

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    More information is needed, please go to pool school and read all, several times, how are you testing your water and how it looks... The relationship between bleach and CYA is the corner stone of TFP look at the link in my signature, it have to be maintained all the time


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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    That is true, with no CYA the sun will burn off the FC very quickly. You need CYA and Chlorine.

    Here is some good info
    ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry
    Pool School - Getting Started

    Who is doing the first 30 days? The first 30 days is critical to plaster success. Did PB give you a start up guide? Did you check the plaster mfg online for their start up guide? Most also have online warranty registration.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Okay, so should i not add chlorine until i can pick up some CYA tomorrow? What is the cya in the sock method?

    I cant believe they just left me hanging, i would have picked up the stuff i needed today.

    So i am brushing twice per day. The pump is on a 12 hour schedule. Do i test again tomorrow night?

    Add cya and chlorine or just cya or just chlorine?

    Sorry to panic but i expected more from pool training
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    More here from your plaster mfg on how to start up
    FAQ | National Pool Tile Group
    Overview | National Pool Tile Group
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Thanks. Well since i had neither a traditional start up or an acid start up is there a preferred method?

    I have read the pool school stuff but at this point acid method was not done so i guess traditional?

    I will test everything in the morning but it appears i cant add chlorine for 48 hours after fill, so cya first then chlorine, cant find the sequence anywhere?
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Here's a good article on recommended chemicals and how to add them.
    Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals

    Yes, start the CYA and then maintain the rest per the plaster start-up guide. The sock method for CYA means putting the CYA powder in an old sock with no holes in it. Tie it at the top with string and use the string to hang the whole thing in the pool, in front of a return jet. Use a stick or board to hold the hanging sock away from the side of the pool. Squeeze the sock every now and then to help the CYA dissolve. Rinse your hands after.

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    When a sequence is not specified it is because it is not important. You are correct that it is now by default a traditional start up.

    +1 to learning how to use PoolMath and don't guess how much to add. There is a link at the top of every page and there are directions at the top of the PoolMath page.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Test results this morning
    Tc=.5
    Tb-1
    Ph-7.5
    Ta-110
    Ch-325
    On the ch test, do i stop drops of r-0012 at the first sign of light red or add more until darker red? That was the difference between 11 and 13 drops?

    I am using a tl-100 kit

    So based on the numbers i am in the zone except for chlrine.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Please stop asking the same questions in two different threads. I just answered your CH question in your other thread.

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Sorry, will keep chem talk here.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Keep adding drops until no further changes, subtract the last drop

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Quote Originally Posted by Piolin View Post
    Keep adding drops until no further changes, subtract the last drop

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    Thanks, I was not mixing after each drop, until I saw the expanded directions, will need to redo. Strange, the pool guy had this digital "safe dip" that said my CH was 170 yesterday, perhaps I screwed up the test?

    I did pick up some conditioner (CYA) at a pool store, they told me to pull the basket out of the pump, put the lid back on and then start the pump and pour the CYA (granules) into the skimmer basket?

    I am going to do this tomorrow afternoon, as traditional start up says no chlorine for 72 hours, NPT says no chlorine for 48 hours. I figure tormorrow afternoon I will just do it.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    I would do 48 hours. Don't wait too long or algae will start growing and you don't want to have SLAM a pool in the first 30 days. No, do not put the CYA in the skimmer. More here on how to add chems to your pool, Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    I would follow the advice you get here, not at the pool store.

    So, if you are told here to put the CYA in a sock in front of a return, and at the pool store to add it to the skimmer, put it in a sock in front of a return.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Ok, 48 hours post fill is 10pm tonight. Does it need to be exactly 48 hours, its dark at 10 pm or can i add chlorine and cya say 8pm or friday am. I know i sound paranoid but i dont know how exact i have to be.

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Have you look at the speed stir?


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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    No, it does not. 7 or 8 is fine. And test again an hour later to see if it held and add more if needed. And again an hour later. Just in case there is something in the water consuming chlorine.
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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Don't feel anything other than normal. We've all been there, lol. You'll be comfortable with it all in no time. Do the suggested reading; the linked articles are quite short.

    Whoever told you to run your pump without its strainer basket is either a numbskull or is hoping to sell you a pump someday.

    What's great about this site, and keeps it great, is that if anyone says something wrong or misleading, an expert will jump in and correct it.

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    Re: Just had new pool start up

    Quote Originally Posted by needsajet View Post
    Whoever told you to run your pump without its strainer basket is either a numbskull or is hoping to sell you a pump someday.
    LOL! Right!
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