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Follow the instructions for [https://www.troublefreepool.com/blog/2019/01/18/cya-cyanuric-acid-test/ CYA Testing] in Pool School. Read all of the notes in the Pool School article. | Follow the instructions for [https://www.troublefreepool.com/blog/2019/01/18/cya-cyanuric-acid-test/ CYA Testing] in Pool School. Read all of the notes in the Pool School article. | ||
− | Many people find the CYA test | + | Many people find the CYA test the most difficult to interpret and get consistent results. |
− | The CYA test is a turbidimetric test and | + | The CYA test is a turbidimetric test and the least "accurate" of any of the tests in your kit because everyone will interpret "when the black dot just disappears" differently--regardless of techniques and even using the same sample water! That's why there's no need to be specific when trying to get an answer.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-taylors-response.141025/post-1246870</ref> |
Don’t agonize over the CYA test. Just call it as you see it. | Don’t agonize over the CYA test. Just call it as you see it. | ||
− | + | ||
==Light Conditions Matter For Reading the Dot== | ==Light Conditions Matter For Reading the Dot== | ||
− | As much as possible you should do the CYA test in the same consistent light conditions: | + | As much as possible, you should do the CYA test in the same consistent light conditions: |
*Outside in full sun or use the brightest indirect indoor light that you can if you have to test at night | *Outside in full sun or use the brightest indirect indoor light that you can if you have to test at night | ||
− | *Back to sun | + | *Back to the sun |
*Don't stare at the dot as you pour | *Don't stare at the dot as you pour | ||
*Fill to a line, hold the tube waist high, and glance at the dot | *Fill to a line, hold the tube waist high, and glance at the dot | ||
− | *If you see the dot fill to the next line and glance at the dot | + | *If you see the dot, fill to the next line and glance at the dot |
− | *When the dot disappears you round up | + | *When the dot disappears, you round up the previous line. If you saw the dot at 40 and not at 30, then you call it 40 |
− | After reading, you can pour mixture back into the mixing bottle and try it again; repeated readings on the same sample will | + | After reading, you can pour the mixture back into the mixing bottle and try it again; repeated readings on the same sample will give you confidence in the result. |
==What the CYA Test Dot Should Look like== | ==What the CYA Test Dot Should Look like== | ||
The pictures are from [https://www.taylortechnologies.com/en/page/171/why-monitor-cyanuric-acid Taylor Technologies] and illustrate how the dot should look. | The pictures are from [https://www.taylortechnologies.com/en/page/171/why-monitor-cyanuric-acid Taylor Technologies] and illustrate how the dot should look. | ||
− | In the Taylor images, you can see something but it's not the black dot. It's the bottom of the tube. If you look closely, the black dot is smaller than the bottom of the tube (diameter wise) and the dot is clearly not visible.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-411573</ref> | + | [[File:CYA End Point.png|thumb]] |
+ | |||
+ | In the Taylor images, you can see something, but it's not the black dot. It's the bottom of the tube. If you look closely, the black dot is smaller than the bottom of the tube (diameter-wise), and the dot is clearly not visible.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-411573</ref> | ||
==CYA Test Results of +/-20PPM is Okay== | ==CYA Test Results of +/-20PPM is Okay== | ||
− | We use this test to figure out your [[Free Chlorine]] level using the [https://www.troublefreepool.com/content/128-chlorine-cya-chart-slam-shock FC/CYA Chart]. With a CYA level | + | We use this test to figure out your [[Free Chlorine]] level using the [https://www.troublefreepool.com/content/128-chlorine-cya-chart-slam-shock FC/CYA Chart]. With a CYA level 30, you want your FC to be between 2 and 6 PPM. With a CYA level 50, you want to stay between 4 and 8 PPM. There's not a huge difference between the "goals". Even with a huge margin of error on the CYA test, if you keep the FC between 4-6, you're 100% safe.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-411581</ref> |
+ | |||
+ | ==CYA Viewing Tube Scale is Not Linear== | ||
+ | [[File:CYA Viewing Tube TF-100.jpg|thumb]] | ||
+ | The spacing between the lines on CYA viewing tubes varies and is not linear. With all the uncertainties in this test, don't try to interpolate between the lines on the test tube; always round up to the previous line. | ||
+ | |||
+ | If you saw the dot at 40 and not at 30, then you would call it 40. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The tolerance/accuracy of the CYA test is about +/-15ppm or so, and it will not read below 20 PPM because of the limited solubility of the melamine-cyanurate complex. | ||
− | + | Even if you could accurately state a specific value on the scale of the viewing tube, it is only a guess without calibrated markings. With TFP methods, there is no reason to squint, stress, or guess values on the CYA tube. See between what lines the dot disappears and round up, and you have your CYA value within the accuracy of the test. | |
+ | ==Cold Test Water Should be Room Temperature for CYA Test== | ||
+ | If the water temperature is below 70F degrees, let the water warm up inside before you do the CYA test. | ||
+ | The standard instructions for mixing for 30 seconds is not enough time for cold water. You can mix longer or allow the sample to warm to room temperature. Best solution is to allow the sample to warm up first and then shake it for 30 seconds.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466588</ref> | ||
− | + | Taylor Technologies has run the pH, total alkalinity, calcium hardness, free chlorine, and cyanuric acid tests on known standard solutions at approximately 104°F, 75°F, 60°F, and 40°F. Only at 40°F did the CYA standard solution test higher than its actual value (after accounting for test variability). All other tests were unaffected by temperature differences.<ref> https://www.taylortechnologies.com/en/page/105/questions-in-our-poolspa-mailbag</ref> | |
− | |||
− | The | + | The melamine solution used in the better tests is at low pH to force the maximum precipitation of melamine cyanurate since it is somewhat soluble at pH 7.0 with a solubility of around 20 ppm. There is no question that at colder temperatures, it will take longer to precipitate.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466493</ref> |
− | + | In [https://medium.com/@taylorpool/how-cold-temperatures-affect-your-pool-spa-water-testing-316cf5b6682d this article], Taylor says: | |
− | ==Does it Matter if You Wait Longer | + | *As a general guideline, we recommend not testing pool/spa water samples <45°F (7.2°C). |
− | Up to five minutes is fine and I suspect that you can go longer and still get accurate results.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466627</ref> | + | *If you must test pool/spa water <45°F (7.2°C), collect the sample from 18″ below the surface in an opaque container, bring it inside to a warmer environment, and wait a few minutes before performing the test. |
+ | |||
+ | ==Does it Matter if You Wait Longer Than 30 Seconds Before Reading the CYA Test?== | ||
+ | Up to five minutes is fine, and I suspect that you can go longer and still get accurate results.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466627</ref> | ||
==TF-100 vs K-2006 CYA Test Differences== | ==TF-100 vs K-2006 CYA Test Differences== | ||
− | The view tube for the TF-100 | + | The view tube for the TF-100 uses a larger sample size, and it goes down to 20 PPM instead of only 30 PPM, as the K-2006 does.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-test.119086/post-1054048</ref> |
+ | |||
+ | Mixing testing reagents and hardware between different testing kits is a bad idea. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Taylor K-1720 CYA Test Measures CYA 0-500 PPM== | ||
+ | |||
+ | In February 2021, Taylor Technologies released the [https://www.taylortechnologies.com/en/product/test-kits/visual-determination-cyanuric-acid-turbidimetric-0-500-ppm--K-1720 K-1720 Visual Determination, Cyanuric Acid, Turbidimetric, 0-500 ppm.]<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/updated-cya-test-from-taylor-technologies-you-could-now-test-down-to-5-ppm.223849/post-1961927</ref> It can provide CYA measurements at 5, 10, and 15 ppm that the standard CYA tests cannot. It also contains a dilution vial to dilute the sample 5 to 1 and test CYA from 100 to 500 ppm by dilution. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Measuring low levels of CYA can be useful for hot tubs that use it to buffer the chlorine harshness. | ||
− | + | The test instructions for the [https://www.troublefreepool.com/attachments/cya-test-instruction-5096-pdf.175302/ K-1720 CYA test] show how 5, 10, and 15 ppm are measured. You can purchase the parts listed in the new kit if you have an existing Taylor CYA test kit. | |
==CYA Standard Solution== | ==CYA Standard Solution== | ||
− | You can buy [https://tftestkits.net/R-7065-CYA-Standard-50-ppm-2-ounces-p97.html CYA 50 Standard Solution] to practice on and see what the dot should look like at the CYA 50 | + | You can buy [https://tftestkits.net/R-7065-CYA-Standard-50-ppm-2-ounces-p97.html CYA 50 Standard Solution] to practice on and see what the dot should look like at the CYA 50 endpoint. |
===Directions for R-7065 (CYA 50 Standard Solution)=== | ===Directions for R-7065 (CYA 50 Standard Solution)=== | ||
− | 1. Fill the red-capped CYA mixing bottle to the bottom of the label with R-7065 ( | + | 1. Fill the red-capped CYA mixing bottle to the bottom of the label with R-7065 (the “pool water”). Now, fill the bottle to the top of the label with R-0013 (in 8 oz. bottle).* Mix, then wait at least 30 seconds. Mix once more. |
− | 2. Next, get the clear tube marked CYA View Tube and | + | 2. Next, get the clear tube marked CYA View Tube and hold it at waist level (so you can look down into the tube); slowly fill the view tube with the solution you have mixed. Keep filling until you no longer see the black dot in the bottom of the tube. *You should have a reading of 50 ppm, give or take 5 PPM. |
==Tips== | ==Tips== | ||
*The test is designed to be performed in bright sunlight and will read low if you use indoor lighting.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-467157</ref> | *The test is designed to be performed in bright sunlight and will read low if you use indoor lighting.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-467157</ref> | ||
− | *You want to | + | *You want to ensure the test vial and black dot are clean. If there is any residue obscuring the black dot, then that will throw off the accuracy of the test.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-412512</ref> |
− | *For the TF-100 CYA test you use about 14 ml of equal amounts of R-0013 and pool water | + | *For the TF-100 CYA test, you use about 14 ml of equal amounts of R-0013 and pool water |
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Latest revision as of 16:08, 4 January 2025
CYA Testing
Follow the instructions for CYA Testing in Pool School. Read all of the notes in the Pool School article.
Many people find the CYA test the most difficult to interpret and get consistent results.
The CYA test is a turbidimetric test and the least "accurate" of any of the tests in your kit because everyone will interpret "when the black dot just disappears" differently--regardless of techniques and even using the same sample water! That's why there's no need to be specific when trying to get an answer.[1]
Don’t agonize over the CYA test. Just call it as you see it.
Light Conditions Matter For Reading the Dot
As much as possible, you should do the CYA test in the same consistent light conditions:
- Outside in full sun or use the brightest indirect indoor light that you can if you have to test at night
- Back to the sun
- Don't stare at the dot as you pour
- Fill to a line, hold the tube waist high, and glance at the dot
- If you see the dot, fill to the next line and glance at the dot
- When the dot disappears, you round up the previous line. If you saw the dot at 40 and not at 30, then you call it 40
After reading, you can pour the mixture back into the mixing bottle and try it again; repeated readings on the same sample will give you confidence in the result.
What the CYA Test Dot Should Look like
The pictures are from Taylor Technologies and illustrate how the dot should look.
In the Taylor images, you can see something, but it's not the black dot. It's the bottom of the tube. If you look closely, the black dot is smaller than the bottom of the tube (diameter-wise), and the dot is clearly not visible.[2]
CYA Test Results of +/-20PPM is Okay
We use this test to figure out your Free Chlorine level using the FC/CYA Chart. With a CYA level 30, you want your FC to be between 2 and 6 PPM. With a CYA level 50, you want to stay between 4 and 8 PPM. There's not a huge difference between the "goals". Even with a huge margin of error on the CYA test, if you keep the FC between 4-6, you're 100% safe.[3]
CYA Viewing Tube Scale is Not Linear
The spacing between the lines on CYA viewing tubes varies and is not linear. With all the uncertainties in this test, don't try to interpolate between the lines on the test tube; always round up to the previous line.
If you saw the dot at 40 and not at 30, then you would call it 40.
The tolerance/accuracy of the CYA test is about +/-15ppm or so, and it will not read below 20 PPM because of the limited solubility of the melamine-cyanurate complex.
Even if you could accurately state a specific value on the scale of the viewing tube, it is only a guess without calibrated markings. With TFP methods, there is no reason to squint, stress, or guess values on the CYA tube. See between what lines the dot disappears and round up, and you have your CYA value within the accuracy of the test.
Cold Test Water Should be Room Temperature for CYA Test
If the water temperature is below 70F degrees, let the water warm up inside before you do the CYA test.
The standard instructions for mixing for 30 seconds is not enough time for cold water. You can mix longer or allow the sample to warm to room temperature. Best solution is to allow the sample to warm up first and then shake it for 30 seconds.[4]
Taylor Technologies has run the pH, total alkalinity, calcium hardness, free chlorine, and cyanuric acid tests on known standard solutions at approximately 104°F, 75°F, 60°F, and 40°F. Only at 40°F did the CYA standard solution test higher than its actual value (after accounting for test variability). All other tests were unaffected by temperature differences.[5]
The melamine solution used in the better tests is at low pH to force the maximum precipitation of melamine cyanurate since it is somewhat soluble at pH 7.0 with a solubility of around 20 ppm. There is no question that at colder temperatures, it will take longer to precipitate.[6]
In this article, Taylor says:
- As a general guideline, we recommend not testing pool/spa water samples <45°F (7.2°C).
- If you must test pool/spa water <45°F (7.2°C), collect the sample from 18″ below the surface in an opaque container, bring it inside to a warmer environment, and wait a few minutes before performing the test.
Does it Matter if You Wait Longer Than 30 Seconds Before Reading the CYA Test?
Up to five minutes is fine, and I suspect that you can go longer and still get accurate results.[7]
TF-100 vs K-2006 CYA Test Differences
The view tube for the TF-100 uses a larger sample size, and it goes down to 20 PPM instead of only 30 PPM, as the K-2006 does.[8]
Mixing testing reagents and hardware between different testing kits is a bad idea.
Taylor K-1720 CYA Test Measures CYA 0-500 PPM
In February 2021, Taylor Technologies released the K-1720 Visual Determination, Cyanuric Acid, Turbidimetric, 0-500 ppm.[9] It can provide CYA measurements at 5, 10, and 15 ppm that the standard CYA tests cannot. It also contains a dilution vial to dilute the sample 5 to 1 and test CYA from 100 to 500 ppm by dilution.
Measuring low levels of CYA can be useful for hot tubs that use it to buffer the chlorine harshness.
The test instructions for the K-1720 CYA test show how 5, 10, and 15 ppm are measured. You can purchase the parts listed in the new kit if you have an existing Taylor CYA test kit.
CYA Standard Solution
You can buy CYA 50 Standard Solution to practice on and see what the dot should look like at the CYA 50 endpoint.
Directions for R-7065 (CYA 50 Standard Solution)
1. Fill the red-capped CYA mixing bottle to the bottom of the label with R-7065 (the “pool water”). Now, fill the bottle to the top of the label with R-0013 (in 8 oz. bottle).* Mix, then wait at least 30 seconds. Mix once more.
2. Next, get the clear tube marked CYA View Tube and hold it at waist level (so you can look down into the tube); slowly fill the view tube with the solution you have mixed. Keep filling until you no longer see the black dot in the bottom of the tube. *You should have a reading of 50 ppm, give or take 5 PPM.
Tips
- The test is designed to be performed in bright sunlight and will read low if you use indoor lighting.[10]
- You want to ensure the test vial and black dot are clean. If there is any residue obscuring the black dot, then that will throw off the accuracy of the test.[11]
- For the TF-100 CYA test, you use about 14 ml of equal amounts of R-0013 and pool water
.
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-taylors-response.141025/post-1246870
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-411573
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-411581
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466588
- ↑ https://www.taylortechnologies.com/en/page/105/questions-in-our-poolspa-mailbag
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466493
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-466627
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-test.119086/post-1054048
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/updated-cya-test-from-taylor-technologies-you-could-now-test-down-to-5-ppm.223849/post-1961927
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/at-what-water-temp-is-cya-test-reliable.55271/post-467157
- ↑ https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/cya-testing-just-disappears-seems-subjective.48937/post-412512