SWG output seems too low

detroit54

Member
May 10, 2024
18
Gainesville, FL
Pool Size
17000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
CircuPool Core-35
Hi all,

I installed a CircuPool Core-35 SWG back in May. I have a 17,000 gallon pool, B&D 3.0hp VS pump, and Hayward C9002 filter. I'm still trying to get a handle on how to operate my pump and SWG and just generally maintain my pool. I have a Taylor K-2006 test kit I bought in late June, and I've been testing FC the morning just before 8am and then again late in the afternoon or early evening. I check pH every few days, but it seems to want to stay at 7.8 and doesn't seem to be creeping up to 8.0, so I haven't been adding any acid to try to lower it. I last tested the other values on June 30th, and levels were CH 350, TA 60, CYA 60. Back in early July, I ran the SWG at 100% output just to see what it could do overnight starting at 6pm with FC 2.5 ppm and had FC 7.0 ppm at 8:30am. My current pump schedule starts at 8am and my Black and Decker 3hp VS pump runs at 2600 rpm for 2 hours, 1200 rpm for 6 hours, 2000 rpm for 2 hours, then 1200 rpm for another 6 hours, so a total of 14 hours right now. I start the SWG at 8:05am and turn it off at 23:55pm and am running at 75% output. My morning FC has been 4.0 to 4.5, and around 6pm it is still around 4.5. I test CC and either have none or the solution turns a very weak pink color and goes clear with one drop, so less than 0.5 ppm worst case. I had thought since the SWG was advertised for pools up to 35,000 gallons that I wouldn't need to run the SWG much above 50% output. In the PoolMath app, if I enter a current FC of 4.5ppm for CYA 60 and a target FC level of 9.0ppm, it tells me I need to run the SWG at 75% for 14.5 hours, but I am assuming that doesn't account for sunlight because it varies. Does this all seem normal? Could there be anything in my setup that would make me lose generated chlorine, such as short distance between the SWG and the pool returns, or the returns being aimed more or less horizontal? I do see some tiny bubbles exiting the return jets, but I assume that is hydrogen gas and is normal, and it does not cause any cloudiness. The only reason I'd like to run for less time is just to save electricity, but if it works, it works, so I'll do whatever I need to keep the water clear. I'm just posting in case it seems like the SWG isn't producing enough.

Thanks!
 
You very well might be losing 4ppm per day due to heat, UV, etc. That's not abnormal at all for people in the South.

Many of us run 24/7 at a single speed, as low as possible to keep SWCG flow switch happy. I like this method as my pump runs ~1300rpm at 190 watts, and the SWCG is negligible in power consumption. The SWCG is making FC all day and night (based on % setting obviously) and the pool is constantly skimming.

You might also consider raising CYA. I find that I need 80-90 CYA to reduce SWCG usage, but my pool is in full sun, and gets quite warm.
 
Keep in mind also that manufacturer claims are sometimes overstated. That aside, Pool Math says running 14 hours at 75% will add 4.3 ppm of FC daily. As Reggie said, that's probably close to your daily loss during swim season. I would do an Overnight Chlorine Loss Test just to rule out algae. If something is brewing, catching quick will save time and money. Here is what your SWG's FC production looks like in the "Effects of Adding" section of Pool Math:

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+1 to the OCLT.

You need to prove your loss (or lack thereof) before you can troubleshoot insufficient gains.
 
I added 1L 31.45% muriatic acid to lower pH to 7.2, then added 3 gal 10% Home Depot chlorinating liquid. Not wanting to use 40 drops for 20 ppm FC a few times a day, I searched and just read a thread saying 5ml samples with the FAS-DPD test for 1 drop = 1 ppm is OK for testing during SLAM. So, I did that and measured 20 ppm FC right now. Is that also OK for OCLT during SLAM since I'm only concerned about anything 1 ppm or larger? Also, I currently have my B&D 3hp VS pump running at 2600 rpm. Should I continue to run at that speed until finished with SLAM, or can I turn it down to save electricity? I don't really know how many turnovers this produces without a flow meter, but I will keep the speed up or even increase it if helpful. I've never run the 3hp VS pump faster than 2600rpm, pipes are 1.5" so didn't want to chance anything coming apart after I saw poorly glued fittings when I swapped out the old 1.25hp pump. I'm guessing it would be OK though if I opened the bottom drain and skimmer inlets fully, as long as the filter pressure doesn't go into the red on the pressure gauge.
 
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5mL is fine for SLAM.
Use the 10mL for OCLT.
Reduce your pump if you like, no issues, just run 24/7.
We recommend 90% from skimmers and 10% from main drain. Slam or day to day. Turn down your main drain a bit and pull more from skimmers.
 
You can likely turn down pump speed, but it's not hurting you now in any other way than electrical consumption. VSP would have no issue running full speed, either, but there's really no reason to do that.

For OCLT, you should go back to 10ml sample just to make sure there's no testing error.

Filter pressure increases because of restriction, not really flow. Filter pressure increase is evidence that it's catching dead algae and debris.
 
Ok, I completed the SLAM and raised CYA, which I think is between 70 and 80 now. I'm not sure if the black dot has to be completely invisible or not, and sometimes it might be me imagining I can see it faintly at the bottom of the tube. Right now, I'm waiting for my FC to drop so I can turn the SWG back on. Nice problem to have! I'm.thinkimg I'll try to maintain FC around 8ppm since that's at the upper end of the range for FC between 50 and 80.

I did find some small spots with dark green algae just above the water line in grout or cracks, maybe that was enough to use some chlorine each day, or maybe just the lower CYA was allowing it to burn off, or both. What should I use to fix cracks in tile grout?

My logs from SLAM up until now:

240712:
7am FC 3.0 cc 0
CYA 5
pH 7.8

SLAM procedure started:
Added 1000ml acid 10:10am
Shut off SWG, pump 2600rpm
Tested pH 7.2 at 10:32am
Added 3 gal 10% liquid bleach
11:27am used 5ml to test FC 20ppm
1:27pm FC 18ppm
Added 1,275ml 10% liquid bleach
4:22pm FC 17ppm
Added 2,000ml 10% liquid bleach
8pm FC 17ppm
Added 2kml bleach
240713: 640am FC 19ppm
Added 650ml bleach
1115am FC 16ppm
Added 2.575L bleach
1105pm FC 16ppm
Added 2.575L bleach
1200am FC 15.5ppm
240714: 740am FC 15.0ppm cc 0.5ppm
Added 2lbs cya granular
325pm FC 13.5ppm cc 0.5 ppm
CYA maybe 60 but definitely 50 makes dot disappear
Added 2lbs cya granular
740pm FC 13.0ppm

240715:
650am FC 12ppm cc 0ppm
320pm FC 12ppm cc 0ppm
800pm FC 11ppm

240716:
340pm FC 11ppm
CYA 70 to 80
 
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