Please help make sense of these numbers - combined chrlorine + insanely high FC loss

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28000
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Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Little backstory - I opened my pool last weekend with the plan to replace and redo all of my filter equipment and plumbing directly associated with it with year. I took the cover off (solid cover) and water looked pretty good. With the old equipment still in place I "wasted" a bunch of the nasty stuff out to the street, ran the bot for a bit to get the bad stuff out, and then dumped in a 5-gallon carboy and let the water circulate for a few hours. I wanted to do this so the water wasn't just sitting there while I was re-doing the equipment

Well, the equipment took me way longer than I anticipated and I just got done Friday night (6 days after opening it). So the water sat there almost a week. I let it run overnight with the filter going before bothering to do any more tests. Yesterday, after about 16 hours of running I did my first test. I do have a chlorinator (yea, yea, I know) which I left on full-open the whole time. I did a test at 3pm and then took it to the pool store to see what they said:

Saturday 6/3 @ 3pm
my resultsPool store results
FC0.80.0
CC3.23.0
pH7.67.8
TA110.0100.0
CA270.0400.0
CYA< 3040.0

I originally thought I needed stabilizer because I measured it at less than 30 (even with the liquid all the way to the top of the vial, I could still barely see the dot). I was deathly afraid to add stablizer because I emptied 70% of my pool water last year to get rid of it. And since I still use a chlorinator for 75%+ of my chrlorination (I supplement with bleach), I really didn't want to have to add it. Since the pool store measured it at 40, I chose not to add any.

Before heading off to the pool store I cleaned out my baskets and backwashed and re-coated my filter (it was already 75% towards the cleaning level because of all the stuff it cleaned out). The pool store told me to dump in two 5-gallon carboys to get rid of the CC. Using pool path to check what my target shock FC should be, it said it should be 12 (at 30 ppm cya, or 16). And pool calculator told me I should need less than a single 5-gallon carboy to get to that. So I chose to just dump in 1 for now and check it later. That was at 4pm. We had a party to go to, so when I got home at 10 pm I checked it:

At 10pm (6 hours after dumping in 5 gallons of 12.5% hypochloride):

Saturday 6/3 @ 10pm
FC0.4
CC0.6

Granted, the sun was still out for a majority of that time so some of the FC would have been burned off. And if my CYA readings are right and I really do have < 30, possibly a lot of it?? Anyways, so I dumped in the other 5-gallon carboy and let it run for 2.5 hours before checking it again. Again, this is now 10pm and completely dark out. So at 12:30am I went out and checked it again:

Sunday 6/4 @ 12:30AM
FC12.0
CC1.0

UGH... I'm confused here because that 5-gallon carboy should have almost doubled that FC level. So thinking I wanted to get up to at least 16 FC I dumped all of what I had on hand, which was 4-bottles of 8.25%. Pool calc tells me 2 of them should have been able to achieve it but it seemed to only be half effective so I just dumped it all in. 9 hours later I tested. And ran a second test using the 0.5 method instead of the 0.2 method:

Sunday 6/4 @ 9am
test1test2 (0.5 method)
FC9.610.5
CC0.40.5
pH7.4
TA110.0
CA250.0
CYA< 30

So, I tested CYA again, and again I still feel like it's <30. I'm not sure where I should go from here. It's full sun outside and not sure if I should be trying to maintain SLAM at this point, adding CYA (REALLY concerned with doing that), dumping more in after dark, etc. Please help! :)

p.s. I'm still not even sure what my pool volume is, which is another story all together: Can anyone help me determine gallons in this irregular pool?
 
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What is it that you are trying to do? Are you SLAMming a green pool? If so, it's very common for your FC to disappear rapidly as it oxidizes the algae, bacteria & other organics.

A CYA of less than 30 is hard to measure, I would raise it 10ppm to get a better reading, 40ppm is not the end of the world either.
 
What is it that you are trying to do? Are you SLAMming a green pool? If so, it's very common for your FC to disappear rapidly as it oxidizes the algae, bacteria & other organics.
No, the water is crystal clear and has been after running the filter the first night. I am just trying to get rid of the combined chlorine. I've never had CC before (was never even measurable last year) so it's my first time dealing with it.

A CYA of less than 30 is hard to measure, I would raise it 10ppm to get a better reading, 40ppm is not the end of the world either.
I know 40 isn't bad (I had over 100+ when I emptied 70% last year [my first year with the pool after buying this house, so who knows what previous owners did]). What I'm concerned about is if it's really 40 and I'm not doing the test right and I raise it to 50 and then start creeeping closer and closer to emptying my pool again due to my continued use of a chlorinator. I will say though, I used the chlorinator all of last year, even after emptying and refilling the pool at the beginning of the season, and we are still having a conversation right now about adding CYA to it. So maybe it doesn't build up as fast in my pool due to whatever factors.
 
Surprisingly, these results make sense to me. Let's start with this:
Saturday 6/3 @ 3pm
my resultsPool store results
FC0.80.0
CC3.23.0
pH7.67.8
TA110.0100.0
CA270.0400.0
CYA< 3040.0
Those test results are fairly close. Time delay and sloshing could account for the FC CC and pH differences. The TA test is within one drop, which is fine. The CYA test was probably done indoors which would account for the dot disappearing earlier and the higher reading. So you are one of the lucky ones who has a store that does the tests decently.
At 10pm (6 hours after dumping in 5 gallons of 12.5% hypochloride):

Saturday 6/3 @ 10pm
FC0.4
CC0.6
The FC is way down, but so is the CC. The bleach is working
Sunday 6/4 @ 12:30AM
FC12.0
CC1.0
No sunlight less FC loss. CC up a little because no sunlight to burn it off. The bleach is working on something.
Sunday 6/4 @ 9am
test1test2 (0.5 method)
FC9.610.5
CC0.40.5
pH7.4
TA110.0
CA250.0
CYA< 30
FC is holding better.

Also note your CYA tests have been pretty consistent. It appears the CYA is low. It also appears you are fighting something that uses a bunch of chlorine, but you're getting the upper hand on it. Could be algae, could be ammonia, could be some other organics lurking in the depths.

It all sounds perfectly normal, just frustrating. But if the pool is real cloudy, you aren't going to see instant results. Your pool is like an oversized CYA view tube. Look how close together the high numbers are. You can reduce the particulates a lot and hardly make any difference in how it looks.
 
Thanks Richard. Pool store I go to actually uses an electronic tester, so I have a tendency to trust them less. They are usually pretty close to my numbers, but sometimes way off (previous customer water left behind my guess). Should I just do nothing for now and ride it out and see if CC comes back? Do you think I should add 10 ppm of CYA as well? Any opinion on the liquid vs granular forms?
 
Pool calc says 33 oz to raise 10ppm in a 25000 gallon pool. I'm erroring on the side of caution here because I'm paranoid about adding cya. I bought 1.5 pounds (24 oz) and put it in a sock in front of a return. Dissolved within an hour. Will see what happens.
 
Likely that you have some ammonia from bacteria eating the cyanuric acid and converted it into ammonia.

Keep the SLAM and you will be successful. Ammonia can use up lots of chlorine fast but it will eventually be gone.
 
Follow up:

2pm--
FC 7.4
CC 0.2

3pm--
Added the 1.5lbs of CYA

6pm--
(There was still a bit of CYA in the sock when I was squeezing it out.)
FC 6.6
CC 0.4
CYA 40

CYA was an indoor test and could be inflated from fresh cya from sock, though I took my sample from the other side of the pool. Anyways, this was just a preliminary test.

Going to let the filter run overnight again (been running 24/7 with chlorinator full-open since Friday night) and test again first thing in the morning.

The fact that my FC is still going down while I am still feeding chlorine into the pool from tabs, and I'm getting some CC measurement, tells me that it's still disinfecting stuff from the pool?
 

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6pm--
(There was still a bit of CYA in the sock when I was squeezing it out.)
FC 6.6
CC 0.4
CYA 40

CYA was an indoor test and could be inflated from fresh cya from sock, though I took my sample from the other side of the pool. Anyways, this was just a preliminary test.

Going to let the filter run overnight again (been running 24/7 with chlorinator full-open since Friday night) and test again first thing in the morning.

The fact that my FC is still going down while I am still feeding chlorine into the pool from tabs, and I'm getting some CC measurement, tells me that it's still disinfecting stuff from the pool?
Follow Up:

6/5 @ 6am --
FC 6.5
CC < 0.5 (used the 0.5 ppm test, barely turned pink, 1 drop it was gone)
CYA 35 (indoor again)
pH 7.4
 
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