Hayward Return Jet

Jun 2, 2017
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Hurricane, WV
I'll try to make brief but I wanna be complete - we have a plastic shell pool (Barrier Reef) that has Hayward return jet. fittings. We recently had some equipoment changes to build a pool house and installed travertin deck. At the time of moving equipment we installed a Hayward VS pump. I was out of town for a week and the construction workers told me I was losing water during the week I was gone (but the weather had been DRY and right at 100 deg). So I marked pool to check for leaks -- lost about 1 1/2 inch in a week (which might be evaporation with the high heat). But at that time I also notice that ONLY when the pump goes to the lower speed there are bubbles coming out of the return. Turn th pump up to speed 3 or 4 -- NO Bubbles.
Today the pool company that helped with moving the equipment came to do a pressure test. We noticed that the entire outer portion of the return fitting was turning on the wall of the pool and the fitting that the eyeball sits in was stuck. Also saw bubbles coming out around the face of the fitting thats up against the pool wall during a pressure test.

We discussed options 1) do nothing until we are sure there is significant water loss / leakage, 2) dig up an area of newly installed travertine to get to the locking ring on the outside of the pool for the fitting (admitedly I don't know exactly what it looks like - the pool guy described a large nut over the fitting), or 3) poor some type of epoxy down in the fitting that "glues" the fitting together so it quits spinning and I assume stops any leakage.

Does any of this make sense ? or does anyone possibly have any suggestions that could avoiding destroying 3 large sections of travertine pool decking??
 

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Do you mean fiberglass pool? Our pool manufacturer recommends not using the seals that come with the fitting and use chlorine resistant 100% silicone in place of the seals. So it should not spin even if the fitting is not tight. Also it’s glued to the pvc. If you have 2” pvc the fitting Hayward has includes an insert to fit an 1.5” eyeball. Is it possible it’s just the insert spinning?
 
Thank you for answering - I guess I am on a bit of a timeframe to make a decision - esp if the travertine is going to need to be taken up.
I have a pic that I have marked up. What's happening is that when that insert is attempted to be removed it is stuck so the entire fitting (I have marked with blue arrow) starts spinning. Also when the pool guy put air pressure on another return bubbles started coming from behind that white ring marked with blue arrow (ie between the white and the wall of the pool)
The pool guy said it was becasue the nut on the back was coming loose -- and we discussed the options I listed
 

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I guess I;m not understanding how the thing can spin if it is "glued" to the 2 in PVC pipe esp without leaking pretty bad. And I know for sure at least 2 of my 3 returns will spin if you put too much force trying to get the eyeball of the eyeball insert out

The pool guy was talking about inserting epoxy into the hole and then using some sort of rotating brush that "re-glues" the fitting form the inside out ????
 
Doing an inside epoxy job will not work in my opinion. The pvc is inserted into the fitting. It would only grab the front lip and won’t fully glue it. If you plan on pulling up travertine I would just redo those fittings properly.
 
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That’s another reason to silicone them so the nut doesn’t back off from line shock or the pool walls moving.
So does this for sure mean that the glued connection between the pipe and the fitting has come loose? Is that the only way the entire fitting will turn?

I recall trying to get the inner eyeball piece out at least 2 years ago and the entire fitting turning and some white silicone material floating out -- I immediately gave up and quit turning and just tleft the central eyebal piece.

Taking up travertine is obviously going to be a HUGE deal -- if the pool isn't leaking much or enought o matter is it reasonable to leave alone? My poing being is that at least one of the 3 returns has been loose (or like it is now) for maybe 3 years or more
 
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