Bids Rolling In and My Questions Rolling Out :-D
- Thread starter Flamingo Bay
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Not only did I look at finished pools, I went out to a build in progress when I winnowed it down to my last two. It was extremely helpful in my decision making process. I went to both on the day they were shooting the shell, and there were several very apparent differences. It was only one day in many for each, but it was still very revealing. If you can do it, I highly recommend it. Also, judge the number of years a builder has been in business, and how many references they are willing to give you. This can be very telling. One builder I eliminated had been "on their own" in the area for four years, and out of the 8 or so references they gave me, not ONE pool was over a year old. I looked at a couple and called all of them. However it was the final straw with me for them. Something else I will add in checking references, is to try and glean how much the owner knows about pools and whether they have had one built before. This also can be very telling.
- May 3, 2007
- 16,904
- Pool Size
- 20000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
With all the features and the fact this is a new pool, I would go with a VS pump. That will give you the most flexibility to adjust flow rates and optimize energy use. But I would not under any circumstances get a cleaner that requires a booster pump. There is absolutely no need for that. ThePoolCleaner is a very good cleaner that doesn't require a booster and uses less flow rate than any other cleaner on the market. Also, there should be no problem running everything with a single pump and the proper pipe and valving.Flamingo Bay said:
It is true that a heat bended pipe will have less head loss, if done properly, but I wouldn't base any decision on who to go with just on that. Like most things, it depends on a competent installer.Flamingo Bay said:
So out of the four bids we are looking at right now, three of PBs were going with 3 pumps with the main pump being VS anyway. The one that proposes one pump would have Pentair Intelliflo SVRS PUMP (VS + SVRS 3/4 HP - 3 HP) with Jandy never lube 2” X 2 1/2” three way valves. Is this one PB providing a sound solution?mas985 said:
Sounds like it, and I like the idea of using good valves. Whatever you do, don't let them use the cheap red or blue handled PVC valves as some builders do.
- May 3, 2007
- 16,904
- Pool Size
- 20000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
There are trade offs. Having individual pumps for each feature is the most expensive but allows for the most flexibility. Have one pump might mean that you can't run every feature at full force but then again, why would you.
If you get rid of the booster by using a cleaner like ThePoolCleaner, that would eliminate one pump and I doubt you would be running the deck jets at the same time you run the cleaner. However, in the off chance you do, you could sacrifice some of the flow to the returns for the jets. When swimming, you won't have the cleaner and you may want the jets so that shouldn't be an issue either. Under non-use periods, you will probably be using the cleaner and the returns but not the jets. At least that is the way I would run the pool.
But some of this will depend on the flow rate requirements of the jets. Some don't require much, others require quite a bit. The Intelliflo can produce a lot of flow rate >100 GPM so it shouldn't be an issue unless you choose very high flow rate jets. Some are as little as 5 GPM which would allow for everything to be run at once.
If you get rid of the booster by using a cleaner like ThePoolCleaner, that would eliminate one pump and I doubt you would be running the deck jets at the same time you run the cleaner. However, in the off chance you do, you could sacrifice some of the flow to the returns for the jets. When swimming, you won't have the cleaner and you may want the jets so that shouldn't be an issue either. Under non-use periods, you will probably be using the cleaner and the returns but not the jets. At least that is the way I would run the pool.
But some of this will depend on the flow rate requirements of the jets. Some don't require much, others require quite a bit. The Intelliflo can produce a lot of flow rate >100 GPM so it shouldn't be an issue unless you choose very high flow rate jets. Some are as little as 5 GPM which would allow for everything to be run at once.
That's great info. I'll check with the PBs on the jets flow rate. And glad to know that Jandy valve is a good one since all the other equipment was quoted Pentair, it seemed odd why Jandy valve here. Thanks, guys!
Not really. Lot's of builders use Jandy valves because they are very good. I'm getting them with my Pentair package.
So now I'm trying to compare the strength of the pool shell. I have a couple of builders do 10-12" wall/floor, 14" in transition with 1/2 " steel at 10"x10" and 10" x 5" at stress point. Then the other PB does 9" wall/floor and 12" cove with #3 rebar at 8" x 8" in walls and 8" x 4" in cove and floor.
Could anybody comment on the comparison between the two? Which one would be a stronger shell or they are about same?
Could anybody comment on the comparison between the two? Which one would be a stronger shell or they are about same?
I really can't answer this for sure, but I think they will be pretty close to the same.
I went round and round about this early on, and it seems that #3's (3/8) on a 10" center is pretty standard. I want them on 8" and 6" or less in coves/high stress bends in the deep end. He said he will work with me and add more if I like. I will say it's odd at least around here, for anyone to use 1/2" at all.
I went round and round about this early on, and it seems that #3's (3/8) on a 10" center is pretty standard. I want them on 8" and 6" or less in coves/high stress bends in the deep end. He said he will work with me and add more if I like. I will say it's odd at least around here, for anyone to use 1/2" at all.
- May 3, 2007
- 16,904
- Pool Size
- 20000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
I would think the first is going to be stronger. It has the larger rebar and thicker concrete. But the real question is if you really need it. I had 1/2" done in my pool because we are in earthquake country. But even here, it isn't common to use 1/2".
Killer95Stang
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Flamingo Bay said:
This is how our rebar looked following the original set of engineered plans...
Since we have a street behind our back wall, the inspector felt that the added movement from cars passing by warranted a re-engineering of the pool structure. This is what it looked like after the drawings were redone. If I remember right, the finished product had the re-bar on the back facing wall spaced at 5". This added about $500.00 to my bill..
Thanks, guys! That was helpful
Now another question. We have one side of the pool with no deck next to the coping. And it's gonna be above the ground by a foot or so. I never gave it too much thought before, figuring coping and then stone veneer under it on the exposed wall. Now I'm zooming into the details: a standard coping is 1' wide and it hangs over the box beam a little bit. The box beam are 12" wide too. So now the coping would be a little short on the outside of the beam - no big deal if the deck jus takes over but what do I do in this case? A tiny strip of stones? That probably won't look too good.
People might suggest doing a raised wall on this side. But I'm at my budget's end and can't afford to do a 40' raised wall.
Any ideas? Thanks!!
Now another question. We have one side of the pool with no deck next to the coping. And it's gonna be above the ground by a foot or so. I never gave it too much thought before, figuring coping and then stone veneer under it on the exposed wall. Now I'm zooming into the details: a standard coping is 1' wide and it hangs over the box beam a little bit. The box beam are 12" wide too. So now the coping would be a little short on the outside of the beam - no big deal if the deck jus takes over but what do I do in this case? A tiny strip of stones? That probably won't look too good.
People might suggest doing a raised wall on this side. But I'm at my budget's end and can't afford to do a 40' raised wall.
Any ideas? Thanks!!
Hi there,
Just want to say thank you again for all the help I've got here through my PB selecting process! We finally signed the contract last night. And looks like we'll probably start the dig in early January after permits and holiday out of the way
Can't wait to start my new build post
Just want to say thank you again for all the help I've got here through my PB selecting process! We finally signed the contract last night. And looks like we'll probably start the dig in early January after permits and holiday out of the way
Can't wait to start my new build post