- Aug 7, 2013
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Hi Folks,
Thanks for all the willingness to help. I've been trolling the site for a while now and I've used the suggestions posted to get a couple of decent quotes from two companies in the Phoenix area (one of them was recommended by members of this site and our experience with them has been wonderful !!!!!!). The one big frustration with this whole process has been the excessive amount of “disinformation” that each representative puts out about the other’s equipment “the PV3 is terrible, use ours instead” and so on…In any case, I appreciate the information on this site regarding what works/what doesn't and used your recommendations as far as the equipment that I want to use in our build...
I was hoping to get a little input from the community on these two quotes, as they are neck and neck in their price and offerings. Thanks in advance for your input/suggestions and sorry for the long message - I just wanted to include enough information in order for you folks to get a decent idea of what the PB's are offering. I included the hardscape just to compare between the two, but my landscaper will be the one to do it (cheaper and better). Take care and hope to hear from you soon :-D
PB#1
(Referred by several on this site. Smaller builder, but well-known and regarded by those that have used them in the past)
General Specifications of the pool:
• 90’ Perimeter
• 485 surface area
• 3’-4’-5’ depths
• 845 sf interior area
• 12,480 gallons
• Maximum Length- 35”
• Maximum Width-19’-0”
• Steps 45LF with Baja bench
Plumbing
• In-house hydraulic study of turnover rates, head loss, and pipe diameter
• All piping installed per code using schedule 40 PVC
• Plumbing will be kept under pressure (35psi) during build
• Separate suction lines (dedicated valves) for:
o Paramount MDX Main Drain w/ 2 ½” PVC (installed to meet the new VGB Act)
o Paramount PV3 In-Floor Cleaning
o 4 sidewall returns to pool
o 2” loop to all returns to 1.5” stub outs
o Thread-Care flush mount return fittings
Steel
• Steel per engineering
• 5 bar bond beam
• #4 bar in bond beam “nose”
• Steel for Raised Bond Beam included
Electrical
• ½” Conduit run from panel to equipment.
• All necessary bonding and hookup of equipment
• PVC run for Two light.
Shotcrete
• 4,000 PSI shotcrete
• Entry steps per plan
Tile
• Standard blue dot 6x6 waterline tile at pool edge
Decking
• 650 SF Versailles Travertine Decking.
• 398 SF Versailles Travertine on Covered Patio
• 90 LF Versailles Bull noise Coping
* All installed Paver Decking will have a sub base of ABC.
Waterfeatures
• 30 SQFT Real Rock Waterfall. With 2 ½” PVC return line.
Interior Finish
• Pebble Sheen
Equipment
• Pentair 3HP Intelliflo Variable Speed pump
• Pentair 520 Clean and Clear Plus Cartridge
• Automatic water leveler
• Paramount In-Floor Cleaning (PV3) with 17 heads
• Paramount MDX Main Drain (Rated Safest Main Drain)
• Pentair Intellichlor IC40 Salt Chlorinator
Lighting
• Two Pentair 400w pool light.
Total Investment: $ 41,398
PB#2
(Known throughout the valley, one of the "big three" and tends to be pricier than everyone else. The layout is the essentially the same as PB#1, only that the pool is slightly bigger)
Pricing Factors
1.00 EA 2NDSTEP Baja Step: 2nd Step Height $0.00
1.00 EA 2NDSTEP Additional Baja Step: 2nd Step Height $0.00
Pool Base
1.00 EA PROMO3 Promotional Item $0.00
1.00 SET Pool Base Base $4,120.65
Layout
1.00 EA Layout for Pool/Spa/Splashpad $87.77
1.00 SET Layout Base $15.05
Fence
0.00 <NA> NO MASONRY EQUIP WALL: 4x8x16 $0.00
Excavation
1.00 SET Excavation Base $1,675.35
Cleaning System
0.00 EA Infloor Quick Clean Xtreme (with heavy debris removal system )
Plumbing
0.00 EA GREY QC X - Gamma Heads Recommended Color: Plaster Interior Included
1.00 EA Standard Filter Run - Total Footage $201.97
1.00 EA Regular Skimmers $0.00
1.00 EA Number of Aerators Per Plan $0.00
1.00 EA 2" Line for Barracuda - Total Run $147.46
1.00 EA Auto Water Leveler Base $234.48
1.00 EA Gravity Drain - Real Rock Waterfall $15.05
1.00 SET Plumbing Base $1,112.11
Equipment
1.00 EA Modular Media 600 Microban Filter Sta-Rite $511.60
1.00 EA VS-T 3050 Pump $705.96
1.00 EA Regular Skimmers $53.29
1.00 EA TAN Skimmer Lid $8.46
1.00 EA A&A AVSC Channel Drain $132.85
0.00 EA GREY Floor Fitting Recommended Color: Plaster Interior Included $0.00
1.00 EA Pool Automatic Water Leveler $59.56
0.00 EA OTHER AWL & Fill Line By City $0.00
1.00 EA TERCOT Shade Captain - Paver Install Only: Terra Cotta $0.00
2.00 EA GREY Umbrella Sleeve - 1 1/2" Pool $0.00
2.00 EA TAN Umbrella Sleeve - 1 1/2" Paver $0.00
1.00 EA YES QuikPure3 Ozonator: QP3-25 $288.00
1.00 EA YES IntelliChlor (Salt Unit): 4PSC IC40 $0.00
1.00 SET Equipment Base $36.82
Steel
116.00 BARS #3 Stl Bars as Req. by Standards $0.00
22.00 BARS #4 Stl Bars as Req. by Standards $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By "" - 3/8" rebar on 12" centers throughout pool $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By "" - 3/8" Rebar on 6"
MSG: By “” - 3/8" rebar on 6" vertically at depths over 5ft on walls, at break and coves
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 3/8" Rebar every 3'
MSG: By “” - 3/8" rebar every 3' around perimeter from pool wall into deck footing (deck only)
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 1-3/8" rebar continuous in deck footing (deck only) $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 4-1/2" rebar in BB $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Rebar placed continuous around light & skimmer $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Pre-cast Tie Block Concrete Spacers
MSG: By “” - Pre-cast tie block concrete spacers beneath vertical wall rebar and rebar around skimmer
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Pre-cast Concrete Spacers
MSG: By “” - Pre-cast concrete spacers beneath rebar throughout entire pool to ensure proper spacing
0.00 EA NO Upgrade Steel Based on Angle of Repose $0.00
1.00 SET Steel Base $1,769.46
Electric
1.00 EA Electric Base: EZTCH or IntelliTouch and Standard Light $1,015.67
1.00 EA IntelliBrite LED Pool Light $522.80
1.00 EA WIRELSS EZTCH 4P Single Body: 4PSC IC40 Wireless Operation $1,247.08
1.00 EA EZTCH 4 Aux Wireless Controller $324.54
0.00 EA NO EzTch OR IntelliTch Valve Actuator
1.00 SET Electric Base $565.84
Shotcrete
0.00 EA NO Shotcrete Cure by "" $0.00
1.00 SET Cup Anchors $0.00
1.00 SET Shotcrete Base $8,396.98
Water Features
0.00 EA PITBRWN Real Rock Color $0.00
1.00 EA 30 sq.ft. Rock Waterfall $2,006.27
2.00 EA 2' x 2' Deck Boulder for Perimeter $0.00
1.00 SET Water Features Base $115.36
Deck
0.00 EA SAND Choose Deck $0.00
99.00 LFT Travertine Coping Pool Deck; Perimeter Feet $0.00
Hardscape
808.00 SQFT NOCHE …Standard Herringbone 6" x 12" x 1.25"h: Noche $7,037.68
410.00 SQFT SAND …Travertine Sub Base: Sand $0.00
398.00 SQFT YES Travertine Over Existing Concrete $0.00
99.00 LFT NOCHE Travertine Bull Nose Coping 6"w x 12"d x 1.25"h (Enter Feet): Noche $1,613.70
99.00 LFT YES Travertine Curves Ttl Linear Ft $434.61
2.00 EA 1 1/2" Sleeves in Pavers $37.62
1.00 EA Shade Captain 2" Sleeve in Pavers $62.70
1.00 EA Hardscape Clean Up Base $250.78
1.00 SET Hardscape Base $247.02
Tile
99.00 EA Blue Dot 6" x 6" Tile $757.35
99.00 FT Caulking Required Tile/Deck $74.25
99.00 LFT WHITE Tile Grout Color: White $0.00
1.00 EA Aerator Intstall Tile Before Deck $34.48
1.00 SET Tile Base $525.00
Cleanup
1.00 SET Cleanup Base $486.52
Turbo
1.00 SET Turbo Base $56.28
Interior Finishes
0.00 EA PLSTR Pool Interior Finish: Plaster Interior Included. MSG: Free Upgrade to Pebble Sheen From Plaster pricing. Color TBD
882.00 EA Plaster Total I.A. $2,052.33
1.00 SET Cup Anchors Set $2.41
1.00 EA Interior Finish $87.78
1.00 SET Interior Finishes Base $261.76
Startup Equipment
1.00 SET Startup Equipment Base $75.27
Startup
1.00 EA Mechanical $94.04
1.00 EA Orientation $94.04
1.00 SET Startup Base $253.31
Covers
1.00 EA Solar Pool Cover 20' X 40' $126.39
1.00 EA “” Solar Pool Cover Cut and Fit $62.70
Total Cost:
$42,544.44
Thanks for all the willingness to help. I've been trolling the site for a while now and I've used the suggestions posted to get a couple of decent quotes from two companies in the Phoenix area (one of them was recommended by members of this site and our experience with them has been wonderful !!!!!!). The one big frustration with this whole process has been the excessive amount of “disinformation” that each representative puts out about the other’s equipment “the PV3 is terrible, use ours instead” and so on…In any case, I appreciate the information on this site regarding what works/what doesn't and used your recommendations as far as the equipment that I want to use in our build...
I was hoping to get a little input from the community on these two quotes, as they are neck and neck in their price and offerings. Thanks in advance for your input/suggestions and sorry for the long message - I just wanted to include enough information in order for you folks to get a decent idea of what the PB's are offering. I included the hardscape just to compare between the two, but my landscaper will be the one to do it (cheaper and better). Take care and hope to hear from you soon :-D
PB#1
(Referred by several on this site. Smaller builder, but well-known and regarded by those that have used them in the past)
General Specifications of the pool:
• 90’ Perimeter
• 485 surface area
• 3’-4’-5’ depths
• 845 sf interior area
• 12,480 gallons
• Maximum Length- 35”
• Maximum Width-19’-0”
• Steps 45LF with Baja bench
Plumbing
• In-house hydraulic study of turnover rates, head loss, and pipe diameter
• All piping installed per code using schedule 40 PVC
• Plumbing will be kept under pressure (35psi) during build
• Separate suction lines (dedicated valves) for:
o Paramount MDX Main Drain w/ 2 ½” PVC (installed to meet the new VGB Act)
o Paramount PV3 In-Floor Cleaning
o 4 sidewall returns to pool
o 2” loop to all returns to 1.5” stub outs
o Thread-Care flush mount return fittings
Steel
• Steel per engineering
• 5 bar bond beam
• #4 bar in bond beam “nose”
• Steel for Raised Bond Beam included
Electrical
• ½” Conduit run from panel to equipment.
• All necessary bonding and hookup of equipment
• PVC run for Two light.
Shotcrete
• 4,000 PSI shotcrete
• Entry steps per plan
Tile
• Standard blue dot 6x6 waterline tile at pool edge
Decking
• 650 SF Versailles Travertine Decking.
• 398 SF Versailles Travertine on Covered Patio
• 90 LF Versailles Bull noise Coping
* All installed Paver Decking will have a sub base of ABC.
Waterfeatures
• 30 SQFT Real Rock Waterfall. With 2 ½” PVC return line.
Interior Finish
• Pebble Sheen
Equipment
• Pentair 3HP Intelliflo Variable Speed pump
• Pentair 520 Clean and Clear Plus Cartridge
• Automatic water leveler
• Paramount In-Floor Cleaning (PV3) with 17 heads
• Paramount MDX Main Drain (Rated Safest Main Drain)
• Pentair Intellichlor IC40 Salt Chlorinator
Lighting
• Two Pentair 400w pool light.
Total Investment: $ 41,398
PB#2
(Known throughout the valley, one of the "big three" and tends to be pricier than everyone else. The layout is the essentially the same as PB#1, only that the pool is slightly bigger)
Pricing Factors
1.00 EA 2NDSTEP Baja Step: 2nd Step Height $0.00
1.00 EA 2NDSTEP Additional Baja Step: 2nd Step Height $0.00
Pool Base
1.00 EA PROMO3 Promotional Item $0.00
1.00 SET Pool Base Base $4,120.65
Layout
1.00 EA Layout for Pool/Spa/Splashpad $87.77
1.00 SET Layout Base $15.05
Fence
0.00 <NA> NO MASONRY EQUIP WALL: 4x8x16 $0.00
Excavation
1.00 SET Excavation Base $1,675.35
Cleaning System
0.00 EA Infloor Quick Clean Xtreme (with heavy debris removal system )
Plumbing
0.00 EA GREY QC X - Gamma Heads Recommended Color: Plaster Interior Included
1.00 EA Standard Filter Run - Total Footage $201.97
1.00 EA Regular Skimmers $0.00
1.00 EA Number of Aerators Per Plan $0.00
1.00 EA 2" Line for Barracuda - Total Run $147.46
1.00 EA Auto Water Leveler Base $234.48
1.00 EA Gravity Drain - Real Rock Waterfall $15.05
1.00 SET Plumbing Base $1,112.11
Equipment
1.00 EA Modular Media 600 Microban Filter Sta-Rite $511.60
1.00 EA VS-T 3050 Pump $705.96
1.00 EA Regular Skimmers $53.29
1.00 EA TAN Skimmer Lid $8.46
1.00 EA A&A AVSC Channel Drain $132.85
0.00 EA GREY Floor Fitting Recommended Color: Plaster Interior Included $0.00
1.00 EA Pool Automatic Water Leveler $59.56
0.00 EA OTHER AWL & Fill Line By City $0.00
1.00 EA TERCOT Shade Captain - Paver Install Only: Terra Cotta $0.00
2.00 EA GREY Umbrella Sleeve - 1 1/2" Pool $0.00
2.00 EA TAN Umbrella Sleeve - 1 1/2" Paver $0.00
1.00 EA YES QuikPure3 Ozonator: QP3-25 $288.00
1.00 EA YES IntelliChlor (Salt Unit): 4PSC IC40 $0.00
1.00 SET Equipment Base $36.82
Steel
116.00 BARS #3 Stl Bars as Req. by Standards $0.00
22.00 BARS #4 Stl Bars as Req. by Standards $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By "" - 3/8" rebar on 12" centers throughout pool $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By "" - 3/8" Rebar on 6"
MSG: By “” - 3/8" rebar on 6" vertically at depths over 5ft on walls, at break and coves
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 3/8" Rebar every 3'
MSG: By “” - 3/8" rebar every 3' around perimeter from pool wall into deck footing (deck only)
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 1-3/8" rebar continuous in deck footing (deck only) $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - 4-1/2" rebar in BB $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Rebar placed continuous around light & skimmer $0.00
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Pre-cast Tie Block Concrete Spacers
MSG: By “” - Pre-cast tie block concrete spacers beneath vertical wall rebar and rebar around skimmer
1.00 PPLAN By “” - Pre-cast Concrete Spacers
MSG: By “” - Pre-cast concrete spacers beneath rebar throughout entire pool to ensure proper spacing
0.00 EA NO Upgrade Steel Based on Angle of Repose $0.00
1.00 SET Steel Base $1,769.46
Electric
1.00 EA Electric Base: EZTCH or IntelliTouch and Standard Light $1,015.67
1.00 EA IntelliBrite LED Pool Light $522.80
1.00 EA WIRELSS EZTCH 4P Single Body: 4PSC IC40 Wireless Operation $1,247.08
1.00 EA EZTCH 4 Aux Wireless Controller $324.54
0.00 EA NO EzTch OR IntelliTch Valve Actuator
1.00 SET Electric Base $565.84
Shotcrete
0.00 EA NO Shotcrete Cure by "" $0.00
1.00 SET Cup Anchors $0.00
1.00 SET Shotcrete Base $8,396.98
Water Features
0.00 EA PITBRWN Real Rock Color $0.00
1.00 EA 30 sq.ft. Rock Waterfall $2,006.27
2.00 EA 2' x 2' Deck Boulder for Perimeter $0.00
1.00 SET Water Features Base $115.36
Deck
0.00 EA SAND Choose Deck $0.00
99.00 LFT Travertine Coping Pool Deck; Perimeter Feet $0.00
Hardscape
808.00 SQFT NOCHE …Standard Herringbone 6" x 12" x 1.25"h: Noche $7,037.68
410.00 SQFT SAND …Travertine Sub Base: Sand $0.00
398.00 SQFT YES Travertine Over Existing Concrete $0.00
99.00 LFT NOCHE Travertine Bull Nose Coping 6"w x 12"d x 1.25"h (Enter Feet): Noche $1,613.70
99.00 LFT YES Travertine Curves Ttl Linear Ft $434.61
2.00 EA 1 1/2" Sleeves in Pavers $37.62
1.00 EA Shade Captain 2" Sleeve in Pavers $62.70
1.00 EA Hardscape Clean Up Base $250.78
1.00 SET Hardscape Base $247.02
Tile
99.00 EA Blue Dot 6" x 6" Tile $757.35
99.00 FT Caulking Required Tile/Deck $74.25
99.00 LFT WHITE Tile Grout Color: White $0.00
1.00 EA Aerator Intstall Tile Before Deck $34.48
1.00 SET Tile Base $525.00
Cleanup
1.00 SET Cleanup Base $486.52
Turbo
1.00 SET Turbo Base $56.28
Interior Finishes
0.00 EA PLSTR Pool Interior Finish: Plaster Interior Included. MSG: Free Upgrade to Pebble Sheen From Plaster pricing. Color TBD
882.00 EA Plaster Total I.A. $2,052.33
1.00 SET Cup Anchors Set $2.41
1.00 EA Interior Finish $87.78
1.00 SET Interior Finishes Base $261.76
Startup Equipment
1.00 SET Startup Equipment Base $75.27
Startup
1.00 EA Mechanical $94.04
1.00 EA Orientation $94.04
1.00 SET Startup Base $253.31
Covers
1.00 EA Solar Pool Cover 20' X 40' $126.39
1.00 EA “” Solar Pool Cover Cut and Fit $62.70
Total Cost:
$42,544.44