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    The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    Ok, I'm just thinking outloud here. I'm very new to all this and you've all provided a lot of info. so far. So, feel free to chime in and correct me where I'm wrong and answer my questions and convince me and all that.

    I have a frog. A few days ago, after much research, I decided to stop using it and probably go BBB. However, the "convenience" of it REALLY appeals to me. So, I'm searching for ways to be able to keep using it. But, at the same time, I don't want to cause myself more trouble later.

    I have high CYA of 85 (as per the pool store, 90 according to my readings at home). The PS says it's fine, don't worry about it. I said "yeah, but doesn't the frog keep adding to the CYA" he replies with "no more than any other chlorine source". I did not mention to him that I was considering bleach. He said it's fine, no need to drain/refill. He even goes as far as to say I can turn down my frog because I don't need my FC as high as it is (3.1)

    So, who do I believe? I know he's trying to sell me something and TFP isn't, but it's hard not to trust those "in the business".

    Here are my test results. I took the water to 2 PS's today as well as did my own CYA test.

    PS#1... (drop test)
    FC 3
    TA 180
    PH 7.8
    CH 100
    CYA 30

    PS#2... (computerized test)
    FC 3.1
    TA 150
    PH 7.9
    CH 110
    CYA 85

    My CYA = 90

    Now, it's not going to be very costly for me to do a drain/refill as I have a well. I could probably do it slowly too if I wanted. So, here's my options.

    Keep Frog...
    Drain/Refill
    Rebalance

    Keep Frog...
    Assume Rain, water additions will lower or at least keep CYA where it is.

    Go BBB...
    Drain/Refill
    Rebalance

    Go BBB...
    Rain/water addition will probably lower CYA over time.
    Lose money on frog we already bought
    Save money on chemicals

    Looking for any insight.
    27' round AG, sand, Ohio, well water, 19,000 gallons approx., New owners to the pool.

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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy3232
    Go BBB...
    Rain/water addition will probably lower CYA over time.
    Lose money on frog we already bought
    Save money on chemicals
    The money you save by not buying the bacpacs and mineral carts will pay for the frog in a year's time. You will end up with more money in your pocket, you won't lose money by not using the frog. In prior summers I spent several hundred dollars a season, last season I spent all of $50. No comparison for me.

    Having learned the hard way, I have no regrets about switching to BBB, and wished I had this forum in 2003 when I started having problems. I loved the frog at the beginning, the convenience of it...but not knowing how it worked and what the eventual problems it would bring - if I knew then....LOL

    For automated chlorine, there is SWGs, Liquidators, and inline chlorinators. the latter adds CYA, so that's not really an option for you right now. The other two require an additional monetary investment in equipment.

    Honestly, I spend maybe 5 minutes a day testing and adding bleach to my pool. I spent much more time in the past dealing with the associated problems that rose from using the Frog.

    My first May on TFP I did 2 partial drains to lower my CYA of over 100 down to 70. I ran it there for that summer, making sure my FC was at the appropriate levels. Last May I lowered it again down to 50. This year I actually had to add some, as my level had dropped to 20. So yes, over the next 2 seasons you will see your CYA drop, though not as rapidly....but thru backwashing and splashout you will see it drop.
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
    24' round AG pool, 52" high, Raypak heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump;
    150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner
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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    Thank you. I had a feeling that would be the general concensus here. Not that I mind, I know this many people doing the same thing can't be wrong!!

    **I already bought several bac-pacs. I may be able to take them back, but maybe only for store credit? I haven't tried yet.
    27' round AG, sand, Ohio, well water, 19,000 gallons approx., New owners to the pool.

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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy3232
    Thank you. I had a feeling that would be the general concensus here. Not that I mind, I know this many people doing the same thing can't be wrong!!

    **I already bought several bac-pacs. I may be able to take them back, but maybe only for store credit? I haven't tried yet.
    I tried - that May I converted I had 3 pacs, but the Pool Store wouldn't take them back. I stopped shopping there. I ended up giving the pacs to a neighbor who had a frog. She didn't even ask why I didn't want them anymore.

    Ask them for a credit - hopefully you can buy pool toys or liquid chlorine....
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
    24' round AG pool, 52" high, Raypak heater; Waterway 2 spd Pump;
    150 Sq ft. Clearwater Cartridge Filter; Former and DISSATISFIED "Pool Frog" owner
    http://www.PerfectlyClearPoolService.com

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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    So, who do I believe? I know he's trying to sell me something and TFP isn't
    I think that answers your question. TFP has nothing to gain or lose if you decide to manage your pool water carefully.

    BBB isn't about "our" way but rather teaching you the basic principles of pool water management so you can select and understand your own path towards crystal clear water.
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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    but if you DON'T do it that way...well, let's just say that little picture to the left under my name will be your world ;)
    16x32 21,000 gallon in-ground exposed aggregate, 1.5hp pump, 120 sqft catridge filter, birdcage, solar panels, aquavac tigershark qc robot.

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    Re: The CYA, Frog, FC, Pool Store, BBB debate

    See if you can return them for credit. I still buy repair parts, leaf rakes, toys, etc from the pool store. So you will use up the credit.

    dave
    15,500 gal, inground gunite pool with 7 ft spa, 2 speed pump 2hp/.33hp, 3/4 hp booster pump, Intermatic P1353 timer, AutoPilot SC-48, Sand filter with ZeoBest, Heater, that I never use . . .

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