Hi everyone. We are brand new to the site, and trying to decide between three pool builders and their design. Any input would be greatly appreciated. We have a unique shaped lot with a 16' easement across the back. Shaping the pool has been a challenge. What has been frustrating is trying to compare quotes, and educate myself at the same time. Just a few things I have noticed so far - builders who use Hayward equipment swear by it and none other, and builders who use Pentair swear by it over any other brand, as well. Same goes for the WetEdge vs. PebbleTec. Originally I wasn't a big fan of either because I have noticed that they tend to tear up our swimsuits and our kids hands and knees (Family member has a pool with PebbleSheen). We have two small kids and the big sunshelf will be mostly where they play. After a lot of research, I thought about just doing flagstone over the sun shelf so that they have a place to play without tearing up their hands and knees? Any thoughts on that?
Also, it should be noted that we will have to have our electrical line rerouted as it appears it runs right through the middle of our backyard where the pool is to be built. Boo.
Thank you very much for any and all suggestions/help!
Torri:
PB 1:
Length 36'9" Width 26'3" Gallons 20318 Area 602 Depth 3.5x5.5x4 Perimeter 103
Total Price: $59k
Included:
Locate Utility Lines
12" Gunite Beam
Schedule 40 PVC
Clean-up after plaster, initial Startup chemicals
2 million dollar insurance
test kit, brush, pole, net, teach operations
Steel 8" on center 3/8" and 1/2" beam
Assist HOA approval process
3 steps/1 bench
Yard Prep:
Rem/Rep Fence Sections
Cleaner/Purification:
Hayward TigerShark Robotic (24v plug in cleaner)
Chlorinator (plumbed at pool equipment, add chlorine tablets)
Tile and Coping:
Flagstone Coping (standard grade)
Decking:
Spray Deck (582 ft.)
Drains:
4" PVC pipe (150ft)
Electrical:
150 ft. Electric run
Plumbing:
Skimmer 1 with 50' plumbing
Skimmer 2 with 85' plumbing
Manual FIll Line (90' included) 3/4" pcv pipe plumbed to waterline tile and sticks out in pool
Overflow line
6 Return lines
Gas Line (205 feet)
Interior:
Bench 1: 6' long (standard 18" underwater)
Bench 2: Up to 18' long
RBB: 12" Raised Beam, 18" Raised Beam (I think this is for the scuppers?)
Tanning Ledge (standard 6" underwater)
Spa:
12" raised spa
12"Gunite wall, 3' depth, 18" deep bench, includes 25' plumbing)
Spa Sq ft: 38
1 universal LED light
6 Jets
1 Standard 12" spillway (stacked flagstone)
Pool Equipment:
Filter: 525 sf cartridge filter model C5030
Pump: Hayward 1.5 HP TriStar 2 Speed Model SP32152EE
Lighting: Universal Colorlogic Pool Lights
Heater: 400,000BTU Heater Models Gas-H400FDN
Water Features:
2' Scuppers (3)
100' plumbing for scuppers (total run), 2.5" plumbing for scuppers
Controllers:
Hayward Ecommand
Plaster: PebbleTec Level 1
PB2:
116' Freeform Style Pool (37'L x 21'W)
Depth: 3.5 to 5.5 (630 sq ft)
Total Price: $65k
Includes:
Raised Spa 12" with custom spillway per design
Standard excavation with minimum access width of 7 feet
3/8" steel on 8x8 centers throughout structure
minimum of 6" gunite walls and 9" gunite floor
100% volumetric gunite with minimum of 4800psi strength
Drains and Returns with proper finishing fittings
Sitting bench in pool back wall per design
1 tanning shelf per design with bubblers
Water feature/tile/coping:
Standard tile selection 6x6 waterline - Mastertile
Select Flagstone coping - standard color
Plaster - Wet Edge Pebble Stain - Standard color selection
Raised multi-level wall on back of pool per design
(3) 18" Sheer Descent water features in back raised wall
Decking Specs:
Decks are 4" with 3/8" steel on 16" centers
Decks doweled directly into the bond beam of pool for integrity
Decks graded for proper drainage. Deco drains will be used for drainage where there is no reasonable option to grade concrete accordingly. All drains run to side of decking. Additional drainage options are listed under "add on"
Approx 480 sq ft of spray deck concrete per design
Pool Equipment:
Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed Pump
Pentair 1HP Water Feature Pump
4 Pentair LED Multicolor lights - 3 in pool, 1 in spa
1 Pentair 400; BTU mastertemp heater - natural Gas
1 2HP silencer blower for spa
1 Pentair EZ Touch Control Panel with wireless Remote
1 Pentair Clean and Clear Cartridge filler
1 Pentair Prowler robotic cleaner
1 Peace of mind in-line chlorinator
1 Complete start up kit (test kit, 25' vaccuum hose, brush, 10' pole, vaccuum head)
Miscellaneous:
Includes capping off any sprinkler heads and lines that are in the construction zone of the pool and decking
Includes grass replacement
Includes lava rock for firebowls and firepit
Includes taking down and replacing wood fence using exisiting materials
Exclusions:
Re-routing sprinkler heads and main lines
Deck drains or french drains installed to street
Low impact development, remediation, detention or flood plain requirements
Removal and replacement of any type fence other than wood. This includes (cement, brick or any stone or metal type fence).
Stump grinding and tree removal
Re-routing of utilities (water, gas, electric, cable, phone, fiberoptics, etc.)
Any engineering or load study for low impact development, foundations, soil, etc.
Landscaping,
High pressure gas meter (if needed)
PB3:
Specs:
Custom design pool, 40 L x 20 W, 597 sq ft total area, 108.5 total perimeter, depth range 3.5x5.5x4
Total Price: $62k
Structural specs:
Bobcat dug excavation
Steel Schedule: 3/8" Rebar tied 8" on center
Pool Structure: Pneumatically applied gunite / 6 1/2 sack mix
Walls: Minimum 6" thickness
Floors: Minimum 6" thickness
Coves: Minimum 8" thickness
Bond Beam: 12" Box style with 4 continuous #4 Rebar
Equipment Specs:
Filter: (1) DE Filter 60 sqft Plus
Valve: Valve Kit SM DE MultiPort 2"
Pump: (1) 2.5 HP Pentair WhisperFlo
Cleaner: (1) Pentair Legend Platinum Gray
Heater: (1) Pentair Mastertemp 400k BTU Nat. Gas
Chlorination: (1) Rainbow 320 Chlorinator
Remote System: (1) EZ Touch System 8 Pool/Spa No Salt
Pool Lights: 2 Intellibrite LED Pool Color
Spa Light: 1 Intellibrite LED Spa Color
Spa Blower: 1 1.5 HP Silencer Blower (Not Pentair product, 1 yr warranty)
Pool/Spa Main Drains: (4) Anti-entrapment Safety Drains VGB Compliant @deep end
Skimmers: (2) Skimmer SQ U3 2" Slip TAN
Plumbing Specs:
Hydraulic Design: Separate lines for all skimmers and main drains standard
Pipe: All schedule 40 PVC (solvent-weld)
Valves: Pentair 2" x 2 1/2" (Neverlube)
Fill line: 3/4" Anti-siphon Pool Fill line Included (Typically located at equipment)
Overflow Line: Included/tied into deck drainage system
Backwash Line: To Sewer cleanout if DE filter
Ground Design:
360 degree earth ground tied to steel structure of pool, sub panel if required
Finishes:
Marbella/Travertine/Slate Coping
PebbleTec or Pebble Sheen Interior finish
Ceramic Tile waterline tile
Decking and Drainage:
425 sqft decking peagravel concrete
Expansion joints as required in deck, polyvoid between pool coping and deck
3/8" rebar tied on 16" centers
Deck Dowels: Every 3-4 ft.
Drainage: 4" PVC standard
Included Special Features:
2 cleanups included, one after gunite shoot, and one after concrete pour
Spa: Raised 12" with ceramic tile
Spillway: Zero edge spillway
Water features: 3 deck jets
Sunshelf, included per plan
2 Bubblers
Includes: Cleaner, Controller, Pebblesheen Tier 1 Finish
Features not included:
Exisiting utility re-routes such as gas, electric, water, cable TV, landscape repair and sprinkler repair, fire pot features, water bowls or combination of both
Warranties:
Gunite Vessel 25 year transferable Structural warranty from Modern Method Gunite
Pentair Equipment: 3 Year parts and labor warranty from manufacturer
Workmanship: 2 year from date of pool start up
All necessary startup chemicals and maintenance equipment included, profession pool school included.
Also, it should be noted that we will have to have our electrical line rerouted as it appears it runs right through the middle of our backyard where the pool is to be built. Boo.
Thank you very much for any and all suggestions/help!
Torri:
PB 1:
Length 36'9" Width 26'3" Gallons 20318 Area 602 Depth 3.5x5.5x4 Perimeter 103
Total Price: $59k
Included:
Locate Utility Lines
12" Gunite Beam
Schedule 40 PVC
Clean-up after plaster, initial Startup chemicals
2 million dollar insurance
test kit, brush, pole, net, teach operations
Steel 8" on center 3/8" and 1/2" beam
Assist HOA approval process
3 steps/1 bench
Yard Prep:
Rem/Rep Fence Sections
Cleaner/Purification:
Hayward TigerShark Robotic (24v plug in cleaner)
Chlorinator (plumbed at pool equipment, add chlorine tablets)
Tile and Coping:
Flagstone Coping (standard grade)
Decking:
Spray Deck (582 ft.)
Drains:
4" PVC pipe (150ft)
Electrical:
150 ft. Electric run
Plumbing:
Skimmer 1 with 50' plumbing
Skimmer 2 with 85' plumbing
Manual FIll Line (90' included) 3/4" pcv pipe plumbed to waterline tile and sticks out in pool
Overflow line
6 Return lines
Gas Line (205 feet)
Interior:
Bench 1: 6' long (standard 18" underwater)
Bench 2: Up to 18' long
RBB: 12" Raised Beam, 18" Raised Beam (I think this is for the scuppers?)
Tanning Ledge (standard 6" underwater)
Spa:
12" raised spa
12"Gunite wall, 3' depth, 18" deep bench, includes 25' plumbing)
Spa Sq ft: 38
1 universal LED light
6 Jets
1 Standard 12" spillway (stacked flagstone)
Pool Equipment:
Filter: 525 sf cartridge filter model C5030
Pump: Hayward 1.5 HP TriStar 2 Speed Model SP32152EE
Lighting: Universal Colorlogic Pool Lights
Heater: 400,000BTU Heater Models Gas-H400FDN
Water Features:
2' Scuppers (3)
100' plumbing for scuppers (total run), 2.5" plumbing for scuppers
Controllers:
Hayward Ecommand
Plaster: PebbleTec Level 1
PB2:
116' Freeform Style Pool (37'L x 21'W)
Depth: 3.5 to 5.5 (630 sq ft)
Total Price: $65k
Includes:
Raised Spa 12" with custom spillway per design
Standard excavation with minimum access width of 7 feet
3/8" steel on 8x8 centers throughout structure
minimum of 6" gunite walls and 9" gunite floor
100% volumetric gunite with minimum of 4800psi strength
Drains and Returns with proper finishing fittings
Sitting bench in pool back wall per design
1 tanning shelf per design with bubblers
Water feature/tile/coping:
Standard tile selection 6x6 waterline - Mastertile
Select Flagstone coping - standard color
Plaster - Wet Edge Pebble Stain - Standard color selection
Raised multi-level wall on back of pool per design
(3) 18" Sheer Descent water features in back raised wall
Decking Specs:
Decks are 4" with 3/8" steel on 16" centers
Decks doweled directly into the bond beam of pool for integrity
Decks graded for proper drainage. Deco drains will be used for drainage where there is no reasonable option to grade concrete accordingly. All drains run to side of decking. Additional drainage options are listed under "add on"
Approx 480 sq ft of spray deck concrete per design
Pool Equipment:
Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed Pump
Pentair 1HP Water Feature Pump
4 Pentair LED Multicolor lights - 3 in pool, 1 in spa
1 Pentair 400; BTU mastertemp heater - natural Gas
1 2HP silencer blower for spa
1 Pentair EZ Touch Control Panel with wireless Remote
1 Pentair Clean and Clear Cartridge filler
1 Pentair Prowler robotic cleaner
1 Peace of mind in-line chlorinator
1 Complete start up kit (test kit, 25' vaccuum hose, brush, 10' pole, vaccuum head)
Miscellaneous:
Includes capping off any sprinkler heads and lines that are in the construction zone of the pool and decking
Includes grass replacement
Includes lava rock for firebowls and firepit
Includes taking down and replacing wood fence using exisiting materials
Exclusions:
Re-routing sprinkler heads and main lines
Deck drains or french drains installed to street
Low impact development, remediation, detention or flood plain requirements
Removal and replacement of any type fence other than wood. This includes (cement, brick or any stone or metal type fence).
Stump grinding and tree removal
Re-routing of utilities (water, gas, electric, cable, phone, fiberoptics, etc.)
Any engineering or load study for low impact development, foundations, soil, etc.
Landscaping,
High pressure gas meter (if needed)
PB3:
Specs:
Custom design pool, 40 L x 20 W, 597 sq ft total area, 108.5 total perimeter, depth range 3.5x5.5x4
Total Price: $62k
Structural specs:
Bobcat dug excavation
Steel Schedule: 3/8" Rebar tied 8" on center
Pool Structure: Pneumatically applied gunite / 6 1/2 sack mix
Walls: Minimum 6" thickness
Floors: Minimum 6" thickness
Coves: Minimum 8" thickness
Bond Beam: 12" Box style with 4 continuous #4 Rebar
Equipment Specs:
Filter: (1) DE Filter 60 sqft Plus
Valve: Valve Kit SM DE MultiPort 2"
Pump: (1) 2.5 HP Pentair WhisperFlo
Cleaner: (1) Pentair Legend Platinum Gray
Heater: (1) Pentair Mastertemp 400k BTU Nat. Gas
Chlorination: (1) Rainbow 320 Chlorinator
Remote System: (1) EZ Touch System 8 Pool/Spa No Salt
Pool Lights: 2 Intellibrite LED Pool Color
Spa Light: 1 Intellibrite LED Spa Color
Spa Blower: 1 1.5 HP Silencer Blower (Not Pentair product, 1 yr warranty)
Pool/Spa Main Drains: (4) Anti-entrapment Safety Drains VGB Compliant @deep end
Skimmers: (2) Skimmer SQ U3 2" Slip TAN
Plumbing Specs:
Hydraulic Design: Separate lines for all skimmers and main drains standard
Pipe: All schedule 40 PVC (solvent-weld)
Valves: Pentair 2" x 2 1/2" (Neverlube)
Fill line: 3/4" Anti-siphon Pool Fill line Included (Typically located at equipment)
Overflow Line: Included/tied into deck drainage system
Backwash Line: To Sewer cleanout if DE filter
Ground Design:
360 degree earth ground tied to steel structure of pool, sub panel if required
Finishes:
Marbella/Travertine/Slate Coping
PebbleTec or Pebble Sheen Interior finish
Ceramic Tile waterline tile
Decking and Drainage:
425 sqft decking peagravel concrete
Expansion joints as required in deck, polyvoid between pool coping and deck
3/8" rebar tied on 16" centers
Deck Dowels: Every 3-4 ft.
Drainage: 4" PVC standard
Included Special Features:
2 cleanups included, one after gunite shoot, and one after concrete pour
Spa: Raised 12" with ceramic tile
Spillway: Zero edge spillway
Water features: 3 deck jets
Sunshelf, included per plan
2 Bubblers
Includes: Cleaner, Controller, Pebblesheen Tier 1 Finish
Features not included:
Exisiting utility re-routes such as gas, electric, water, cable TV, landscape repair and sprinkler repair, fire pot features, water bowls or combination of both
Warranties:
Gunite Vessel 25 year transferable Structural warranty from Modern Method Gunite
Pentair Equipment: 3 Year parts and labor warranty from manufacturer
Workmanship: 2 year from date of pool start up
All necessary startup chemicals and maintenance equipment included, profession pool school included.