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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    James your awesome thanks. I do want to keep the same motor just change the impeller. To confirm I would get PART #073128 PENTAIR 1HP 1.5HP UPRATED IMPELLER PART #072927 PENTAIR .5HP TO 2.5HP DIFFUSER Do I still need the new seal? I have a Go Kit from Leslie's for that pump. Does that have the...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    HELP and UPDATE: Pool has been running fine on auto. Water clearing up. Still high on PSI. Still have no infloor guts so all 5 ports are open. Union leaking again but not like before. Getting new union and will try to heat out the old part, then replace infloor guts and button up. QUESTION...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    bdavis, nice. Do you torch direct to the PVC or do you heat up a metal cylinder like a hole saw? Anyone ever seen these socket savers? RAPTOR® 2 in. Pvc/Abs Socket Saver Tool - 13512 - Ferguson They look kind of flimsy and not very precision. I found the next level is like $40-$60 for the...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I struggled with the Union several more times. By force and GI Joe kung fu grip I managed to get it to stop leaking. Well at first it was a drop every couple seconds, then every 8 seconds now it seems tight. But, the guts are still out of my caretaker. To put them back means opening the Union. I...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Ill keep that in mind Dodger, thanks. Just went to store and bought new Oring just in case. Nope still shooting out water. I dont really want to cut the whole pipe way down past the T. Anyone have any luck with the heating-the-pipe-to-break-the-weld technique? Any first hand knowledge of which...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    James yes I lined up with the hole and pin on the caretaker. I have tried what seems like every which way to get the union together. Doing the top on first seems to work the best. But, it never gets together right. I cleaned the heck out of the threads just now, really got in there with a putty...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    James yes I checked the Oring cleaned and lubed. Poolgate I dont know what the rating is but I have had this same setup for 8 years. I have removed it many times and it never leaked before. How tight are we supposed to go on these unions? I know I can replace the 90 part I am worried that it...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Dodger the Jandy check valve with the clear lid is next to the infloor. I replaced the flapper in that. The 30 psi check valve is also next to the infloor but mounted vertically next to the pipe that feeds the top of the infloor. - - - Updated - - - UPDATE: Got the piece and installed the...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Hey some good news. Installed that check valve flapper and filled the spa with the hose. No drop in level this morning!!!!! One problem fixed. Going to get the in floor caretaker center plate this morning then put it all together and turn it on. Im going to try without the guts and see what...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Yes normally only the pop ups, there is no return in the pool. I forgot that the spa one is a return. I always thought of it as a water feature since it makes the big waterfall on the spill way. But yes its a return.
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Well the fun keeps on coming. I went to reassemble the caretaker dome and noticed that the center plate (the one that holds the pistons) is cracked and chipped at 3 holes. Unfortunately, I cannot get the screws tight on that side so I have to get new plate before I can test anything. I filled...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Dodger, thanks. It is the spill over for the spa. I have another setting that pumps all water to a spa return and turns the spill over into a water fall. I suppose I could use that once a day to keep the spa fresh. Would not take too long.
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I just checked the zones. I shoved a hose in the pipe in the back that was full of water and sealed as best I could with a towel. Water cam out in spa. Interesting though, the new Jandy check valve flapper I just put in next to the in floor cleaner I could see water and bubbling under the clear...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Im not sure which zone it goes to. Just got back from store with new check valve flapper. Installed. Now what do I do with the infloor cleaner? Should I start it up with no guts in the caretaker as Dodger suggested? Pool is really cloudy now from lack of circulation so I cant even see the...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I just took off the dome on the caretaker in floor cleaner. I haven't rebuilt in a few years but the mechanism looks perfect inside and the plungers are still pretty stiff. I have a rebuild kit so I am going to put all new parts in, but I dont see anything unusual in the dome. A question, one of...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    proavia, yes the gauge goes to zero. It is brand new with the filter and appears to operate well. Good idea on the infloor gauge. I will have to get one.
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Ill look for that pressure release valve near infloor. unfortunately, I am pretty sure the little gauge on the dome is busted. Last I looked it read 10 psi with everything apart. Are you sure you see a drop in pressure? I have to check more carefully tomorrow. I assumed it was the zone change...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Oops just saw your replies while I was typing away. Yes James the bulkhead connection was fine, just a little persuasion. Like I corrected the pressure was only spiking to the high 30's. I will look into the pump after getting everything back on line. Could the heater be restricted internally...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Dodger SORRY MY MISTAKE 38PSI NOT 48PSI. It jumps about 4-5PSI as it cycles from zone to zone. Its been some time maybe couple years at least since I had someone take a look at it. I just looked at the check valve closely. Its a Jandy Check Valve PN 7236-REV. I can see inside with a light...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    James and Dodger thanks for the guidance. I got everything connected today and fired it up. The filter still leaked bad. I opened the filter checked the big o ring and mounting surfaces. All looked great except a few pieces of white flake on the O Ring. Looked like chips of paint or PVC...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I just checked the pump and yes I have 2 and the label says MODEL: WFE-12 HORSEPOWER: 3 SERVICE FACTOR: 1.15 (I have no idea what service factor is all about) I have a rectangular pool about 10,000 gallons. There is also a raised spa. The main 3hp pump intakes water from the drain and...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I will wait until tomorrow to let it all setup nice. Ill check the infloor today. The disturbing thing from before is that the filter is leaking at the band. This is the brand new factory fresh unit that I installed. Is it normal that they would leak brand new? None of the install instructions...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    James, I see what your saying about the last 2 90's good idea. But, I already glued up the piece. So I have it glued. I watched the video from the glue manufacturer (Christy Hot Blue Glue and Purple Primer). I think I did it right. Is there any way to verify that its good or do I just hook it...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I cut off the pipe with the chlorinator and flow valve. Nothing came out of the pipe in the way of a black disk. I didnt see any part of the flow valve broken. I cut and dry fit some pipe. Looks like I have clearance and should work. But, I have some questions. 1. It is hard to get the pipe all...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    mknauss, Good to know. I double checked on that pipe and it says it is dual marked for DWV and Pressure. Should be ok? James, Good point. I hadnt thought of that. I will go measure now. If I decide to go the other way and just go over the valve with a straight shot. I think I will need a...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Ok I think I just simplified it a bit. I dont need the coupling and extra straight pipe. This latest picture shows just 3 90's and 2 straight pipes. Not sure what you meant going the other way and using 45's? I think you mean cut the first 90 off (right after heater bulkhead connection), then...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Cool. So I made a drawing. The parts are all from Lowes Schedule 40 bin. I also confirmed the existing pipes are 2". These parts will work then right? I mean schedule 40 is schedule 40 right? Pipe Shop Charlotte Pipe 2-in x 10-ft 280 Sch 40 Solidcore PVC DWV Pipe at Lowes.com Coupling 2" slip...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Thanks James. Im going to take a look at it now and see what sizes. Without going over the valve I would have to cut after the elbow. So, basically just follow the same loop it is in now and replace straight pieces where I take out the chlorinator and flow valve right?
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    Ok, I watched a few of the heat method videos. Either it comes out pretty as can be or they make a big mess of it. Im leaning toward the outer coupling method. I just cut at the edge of valve body, then use the bushing/coupler glued to OD of the valve body and then the 2" pipe on the other...
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    Pentair Clean And Clear 420 Cartridge Filter Exploded, Brand New Filter Leaking Help

    I took off the top <filter outlet> to <heater inlet> pipe. Looked clear. The pipe from the outlet of the heater to the valve is on the bottom. This is the line that has the chlorinator and the flow valve. If I am understanding you right, this flow valve is only needed if I use the chlorinator...