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    Optimal return jet orientation - advice needed

    Lana I'm still not sure if I've got the results I'm hoping to see. We've had a few storm fronts through my area in the past few weeks but I have not felt a need to use a net to get stuff off the surface so perhaps I'm overly concerned. My three return outlets are the eyeball type and I've got...
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    Optimal return jet orientation - advice needed

    With my new WFE-3 up and running, I need to approach the proper orientation of my return 3 1" return eyeball outlets. I'm getting (as near as I can tell) excellent flow from all, based on the amount of movement from the "far end" outlet. My pool is rectangular 16 x 34 and all of the return...
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    Taylor calcium hardness test wierdness

    Back in business Picked up a fresh set of CH and TA (Leslie's has a coupon for 50% off)...all of mine were 3+ years old. Used the procedure of adding 5 drops of 0012 before proceeding with the normal test and got a good blue at 35 drops (albeit with red specs). Getting the 5 drops of 0011L to...
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    Taylor calcium hardness test wierdness

    Response from Taylor Here is the full text of the reply message from Taylor. I've made bold the portions of major interest. Bottom line: 1. The red specs are magnesium and are normal, more normal in some waters than others. This was mentioned in an prior reply to this thread. 2. You can try...
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    Taylor calcium hardness test wierdness

    Still getting a precipitate in the test Tried the Taylor suggestion of adding 5 drops of R-0012 to the sample before adding 0010 and 0011L. Did get a more bluish end result but still got the red particles. Let the solution sit for a bit and the red stuff settled to the bottom of the sample...
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    Time for a new pump

    Thanks Mark, Thanks for the formula's and also for all the help. Without you and the other folks here I'd be at the mercy of some bone-headed tech. Based on the math I've got around 39 feet of head, so I figure I'm somewhere around 70 GPM with puts me a 6 hours for 1 turn per day. (Your...
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    Taylor calcium hardness test wierdness

    I just performed the Taylor Calcium Hardness test (the blue top bottles) and got a strange result. The solution turned red as expected after 20 x 0010 and 5 x 0011L. After adding about 35 drops of 0012, the red started to precipitate into small globs that remained in suspension while the...
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    Time for a new pump

    Success (sort of) Got the valve installed this morning. UPS didn't show up until around 5:30 yesterday...I must be one of their last stops. I seem to get the best balance between impeller noise and pipe noise with the Jandy about 1/3 of the way closed, with the suction side Jandy balanced to...
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    Time for a new pump

    Eyeball fittings Mark The Jandy valve has arrived at the UPS South City location and will be here probably tomorrow afternoon (I very seldom get a morning delivery from them for some reason). Rather than running back and forth to the pool store trying to get the head required from smaller...
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    Time for a new pump

    More readings With the end of line eyeball re-installed and the cleaner shut off, I get 13 in HG at the pump and 6.5 PSI at the filter. Here is a diagram of the piping and fixtures: Here is a table with the fitting count and pipe runs: Hope this helps some. Rich
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    Time for a new pump

    OK, so a vacuum gauge from Leslie's Pool is now installed where the drain plug was located on the strainer housing on the Whisperflo. The vacuum is hovering around 9 HG. The pressure gauge on the filter is a hair under 8 PSI. The needle on the vacuum is fluttering a tiny bit which I assume is...
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    Time for a new pump

    Vacuum gauge readings So, if I can find a vacuum gauge I suppose I want one that reads out in PSI. I noticed one made by American Granby at Amazon for not too much money. It reads to 30 PSI (although the text says 30 HG). I believe I would want to be sure my discharge side PSI is higher than...
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    Standard Practice on Slip-style Eyeball Return Fittings

    Scott Good to know and thanks. Living in the SF Bay area, one tends to forget about winterizing. Rich
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    Standard Practice on Slip-style Eyeball Return Fittings

    The fitting in question is from Pentair and is a PVC male slip connection. I've seen others by other makers that are threaded male. The pool company that did my rebuild simply cut the 1-1/2" PVC off flush with the plaster and shoved the fitting into the pipe. The retaining nut operates as...
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    Time for a new pump

    Suction side readings Mark, Is there an easy (and not too expensive) way to plumb in a vacuum gauge on the suction side? If so, would it be worth it to help keep my suction/discharge head in balance? As for your model, remember that they are only to approximate or predict reality, not to be...
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    Standard Practice on Slip-style Eyeball Return Fittings

    I had my in-ground gunnite pool "rebuilt" back in 2005. The work included installing a new 2" return line with 3 eyeball return fittings. I was trying to find a way of temporarily restricting my return flow (to add head...see my post in Pumps) by inserting a plastic disc inside the eyeball...
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    Time for a new pump

    Toolbox constants Mark You are totally right, there are no figures for the usual fixtures and fittings you see in a residential (or even commercial) pool. I did find a set of numbers at a university site in the Netherlands which did give some numbers for gate valves at various stages of...
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    Time for a new pump

    I think it's a question of balance Mark, I've been trying to approach this logically. I'm the first to admit I know squat about hydraulics. Here's what I think is going on. I've got no suction side blockage and a very short run so then only way I could get more suction side supply is to put...
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    Time for a new pump

    Pentair ratings Mark Per the Clean and Clear manual: "The maximum working pressure of this filter is 50 p.s.i. Never subject this filter to pressure in excess of this amount, even when conducting hydrostatic pressure tests. Pressures above 50 p.s.i. can cause the lid to be blown off, which...
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    Time for a new pump

    No blockage Drain king inserted into pump intake did not result in any material showing up in the skimmer chamber. As an experiment I inserted a large fresh green leaf into the 2" suction line in the skimmer and it showed up just fine in the pump strainer. I realize this is not conclusive...
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    Time for a new pump

    Blockage Jason, Unfortunately my smaller drain king blew out last year and I have not replaced it. Will pick up on tomorrow and give it a shot. I did not realize that the eyeball fixtures would unscrew until I was at the local pool place today. They are all 1" units. I covered up the first...
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    Time for a new pump

    Trade-offs Mark, Yeah, that old trade-off thing. I can't see how there can be a blockage unless it's at the Jandy, which moves freely. IMHO, the new pump took the pool past it's design point (if there ever was one). Perhaps if they had plumbed the line from the skimmer to the Jandy with...
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    Time for a new pump

    Mark First the skimmer/main drain should (I think) be considered as one. The main drain is plumbed into the chamber of the skimmer and there is another 2" line going from there to one port on the 3 port Jandy valve. The other port on the Jandy is suction side for the cleaner. So I can only...
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    Time for a new pump

    Answers and photos Jason, unfortunately I believe the eyeballs are the slip type and thus cemented into the line. Mark, The main drain is plumbed through the skimmer (see this link) and there is a single 2" suction side line going from there to the Jandy at the pad. Earlier I tried moving...
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    Time for a new pump

    Flow rate Mark To clarify, there is a single 2" PVC return line which runs along the long side of my rectangular pool. At two points in this run there is a 2 x 2 x 1-1/2 Tee with the 1-1/2 leg going through the pool wall and terminating in a 1" eyeball. At the far end of the return (at the...
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    Time for a new pump

    Plumbing setup Mark Suction side (2 runs): Waterway Renegade Skimmer two port 2" Port 1: 2" PVC to Jandy at pad - 19 feet - 3 90 degree elbows Port 2: 1-1/2" copper from main drain - 24 feet 4 90 degree elbows (not sure this is relevant since Port 1 is only Suction from Skimmer) Kreepy...
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    Time for a new pump

    Whisperflo installed but... Fired up the new pump this afternoon, bled all the air out of the filter, re-balanced the Jandy so the Kreepy moved correctly and all is fine except my Whisperflo is not "whispering" as I expected. The motor itself seems very quiet but there is a semi-soft...
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    Time for a new pump

    OK guys, The WFE-3 sounds good. When the pool was rebuilt the company "super sized" the filter...the CC520 can handle 150 GPM according to mfg specs. This was based on the number of large trees nearby. I got the figures for the fittings from Engineering Toolbox site as well as their...
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    Time for a new pump

    Mark, I suppose the main factor in going with the higher HP was a greater "comfort level" that I wouldn't be under-sizing. Also, I am unsure of the real implications of the SF number. I read (somewhere) this would allow handling of higher loads for short periods. If it is going to take a...
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    Time for a new pump

    Mark, Thanks for the feedback on the Cal Gov figures. If I can make the old pump limp until Thursday, I figure I'll pretend I'm a pool tech with "30 years of experience" and for another $60 go with the WFE-4. My supplier will actually have the WFE-3 arrive today so it is tempting to go that...