Hot tub and Air Jet return Plumbing Question

JLandgraf

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May 13, 2024
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Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster; thank all of y'all for the knowledge you share on this site, it is great! I recently started following this site as a guide to renovate my pool. I am currently at the plumbing stage and have a question regarding my hot tub return lines. The hot tub is spillover attached to the pool with four return jets. The 1.5" PVC water return lines run back to the hot tub and run into the concrete shell. Running parallel to these water lines is a 1.5" PVC air line that runs from my blower to each of the return lines and is reduced to 0.5" PVC right before it runs into the concrete shell. I have attached some photos of the lines cut off at the shell.

Before i removed the old plumbing, when the blower was turned on while the water was circulating, the air would blow violently out of the returns; enough to throw water out of the pool. When the blower was turned off, the water flow returned to normal; no bubbles. My question is, how do i replumb this and what is your guess as to what fitting is buried in the concrete that joins the water and air lines at each return? I've done quite a bit of reading on venturi tees, loops, etc., but i'm at a loss on how to replumb this. Just as it was done previously or make some mods? Now seems like the time to do it if i want to change the current status; and it didn't seem to operate normally prior to reno. Anyhow, without being to much more verbose, i appreciate your opinion on how you would move forward with the replumb. As of now, i have two stubouts at each return (1.5", 0.5") and freedom to do what i want, except the fitting that is buried in the concrete, of course.

thank you!
Jeffery
 

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Welcome to TFP Jeffery! Impressive renovation. I would probably just plumb it back the way it was. So long as you have not leaks it's just not work all the demo work to get at the fittings. Yours probably has one of the older fittings I've seen when I was looking for spa jet fittings on my OB in progress. They had a small line that I think brings in the water and a full size 1 1/2" that carries the air. It sounds like yours are sucking in plenty of air without the pump running and that's the case with many designs some don't even bother with pressurized air and just have a valve on the outside of the sap to regulate air in. If you want to throttle the air supply you can do it below the blower with a valve on a tee. You open the valve a little to waste some of the air.

What do the fittings in the wall look like from inside of the spa? Can you post a few pictures please?

Welcome again and I hope this helps.

Chris
 
Thank you, Chris. Appreciate the feedback. I have attached some images from the inside of the returns looking out. So, now that you mention it, i'm not 100% sure the small line coming in is air and large line is water, i just made an assumption based on what i've read.

From my photos, particularly the one where held the flashlight on the outside of the wall, you can see directly through from the inside to out into the larger return line on the outside. So, the larger return line, that is not reduced, is on plane with the inside return jet; if that makes sense. And the reduced 1/2" line must tie into the buried fitting at some point in the wall. I will plan to replumb as it was and use your air metering advice; seems to make sense. and the kids really love the violent bubbles from time to time.

I guess i need to make sure the reduced line is air to make sure i plumb correctly; what are your thoughts on that based on the images?
thanks again!
Jeffery
 

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Thank you, Chris. Appreciate the feedback. I have attached some images from the inside of the returns looking out. So, now that you mention it, i'm not 100% sure the small line coming in is air and large line is water, i just made an assumption based on what i've read.

From my photos, particularly the one where held the flashlight on the outside of the wall, you can see directly through from the inside to out into the larger return line on the outside. So, the larger return line, that is not reduced, is on plane with the inside return jet; if that makes sense. And the reduced 1/2" line must tie into the buried fitting at some point in the wall. I will plan to replumb as it was and use your air metering advice; seems to make sense. and the kids really love the violent bubbles from time to time.

I guess i need to make sure the reduced line is air to make sure i plumb correctly; what are your thoughts on that based on the images?
thanks again!
Jeffery
Nothing remarkable that I can see. Did you get good flow from each one? Mine look very similar but the most outward thing in the hole is a locking ring with tabs that hole the therapeutic spa nozzles. Mine are Hayward Air III. Below is a photo of the housing before the nozzle is inserted. If you look carefully there's a hole in the bottom rear and one at the top. Water enters one and air enters the other. It's only about 4" deep. There are several brands that builders use for gunite (way more for non gunite walls). Major brands I could fine are Waterway, Hayward, and CMP. You can google to see if you can figure out in case you ever need a replacement. Each brand offers several different nozzles. Some of the fancy rotating swirl type inserts are $30-$50 each. Most are less than $15 if you hunt around. Inyopools has great parts listings and diagrams. I bought a couple from them to make sure they work and I'll buy the rest from them too. Like to reward sites that provide fantastic support for DIYers.

I hope this is helpful.

Chris
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Appreciate it, Chris. Yes, the flow seemed normal as far as we could tell (no reference). I guess i could be missing pieces from inside the return port. I will look into the nozzles and see what i can come up with. Guess i will plumb it back the way it was; seems like i can get it functional that way. (y)
 
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