Replacing Pool Deck

rerun

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I am replacing my 30 year old pool deck. I was not the original owner. Home built in Calif in 1987 with pool. Pool pump is bonded as I replaced the pump several years ago and there is a solid 8AWG wire that is buried down along with PVC piping. I did not dig up the entire run but I assume the entire pool cage is also bonded. However, after the deck was removed this past week (deck is also the coping) and digging up the plumping to replace supply/return lines (we had several leaks confirmed with a pressure manifold), I am not seeing any sort of bond grid/wiring around the contour of the pool. I have several sections about 18" down that the piping touching the wall, so I am figuring the bond wiring must be buried in the wall beam tied to the rebar of the pool. My concern was in the in-deck pool light junction box that was present. I knew that was going to have to be removed (light was wire nutted in that and packed with resin). I purchased a new 12v LED universal kit with a 50 foot cord and will run this back to the equipment area (which is 15 feet away and 4 feet above water line). Question is , as I dug up to make the PVC connections, I see a bare copper #8 AWG wire coming up next the conduit and I know that is the wire from the outside of the light niche. However, it is not connected to any exposed rebar. It was actually connected to the metal junction box on the outside. Should I just tie that back to one of the exposed rebar stems with a copper lug? Also, any harm in running a Bond Grid system around the pool before the new deck is poured? We have no metal structures in or around this in-ground gunite pool but if there is a future time when say a hand rail would ever need to be added I would have assurance the pool is bonded.
 

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Welcome to TFP :)

don't you just love bonding..

1. If the light has a bonding lug you can bond it to the rebar of the pool, or the deck.. This is also the water bond if the light has a metal frame..
2. You can run a bond grid around the pool under the deck also..
3. you can also use a single strand of copper ran around the pool to connect everything
4. if you think you will want or need a handrail I would buy the anchors now and put them in the deck. This is what I am doing for the future..


You do not need to buy the hand rail now just put the anchor in the deck :)

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Welcome to TFP :)

don't you just love bonding..

1. If the light has a bonding lug you can bond it to the rebar of the pool, or the deck.. This is also the water bond if the light has a metal frame..
2. You can run a bond grid around the pool under the deck also..
3. you can also use a single strand of copper ran around the pool to connect everything
4. if you think you will want or need a handrail I would buy the anchors now and put them in the deck. This is what I am doing for the future..


You do not need to buy the hand rail now just put the anchor in the deck :)

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Excellent - great suggestion on the anchor deck. As for the bonding - I have called three electricians and two home inspectors who say they inspect pools and none of them could even define bonding. All of them said "oh as long as you are grounded you're good". That is completely opposite of what bonding is. I still feel it is a subject not well known or understood on retrofitting and only in new builds since city inspectors would then be all over it. So the light has the copper wire attached to the niche on the outside (that is assumed since I can't dig down into the concrete wall to fully check but that 8 AWG bare copper wire is running up the side of the conduit). In 1987 the code must have permitted them to attach that bare wire to the metal "J" box which it was before my demo guys severed it when taking out the old deck. I am going to just tie this back to the rebar with a and then like you said run a grid like this around the pool deck and connect on 6 points where I have exposed rebar coming out from the bond beam wall. I have already cut out the old J box and will glue in a new 90 and then fish a complete run with the new LED light/fixture I ordered. Since it is also only 12V (has a transformer) there should not be any issues with that low of voltage.
 

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All great points :)

It is so hard when we know bonding is not the same as grounding but trying to convince someone is mind numbing sometimes..
 
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I also just noticed before I did the 50' wire pull back to the equipment area junction box that there is grounding lug inside the niche that has no connection and no wire. Again, pool built in '87 and codes have changed over 30 years. In researching I am reading that apart from bonding the outside of forming shell, there needs to be a separate # 8 insulated conductor connected to the lug inside the wet niche and run through that conduit along side the rubber cord light cored and terminated at the junction box which should have a large green screw inside that box even though it is plastic. This #8 bond wire must be terminated to that large green screw inside that junction box and taken no further. This is separate from grounding the light itself which will happen with the ground wire inside the pool lamp jacket.
 
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