Heat pumps in general are just reliable. They are much more durable and reliable when compared to a heater. It's just like a central air unit.
Pentair Heat Pumps - Reliable?
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X-PertPool said:
Very true... also very true on the dual systems... that is what I went with, and for the stated reasons (as well as cooling).
I never intended to imply that you were not truthful. As you noted, the bill can be complicated and difficult to understand. I merely wanted to see the rates to see if there might be some misunderstanding, and because I was interested in seeing such low rates published somewhere.Lershac said:
As best as I can tell, there is a commodity charge that is about $0.32 per CCF (about 1 Therm), and a Purchased Gas Adjustment charge, which looks like it is currently about $0.40 per CCF. Therefore, unless I am misunderstanding, the price per CCF (or Therm) is about $0.72.
http://www.entergy-louisiana.com/conten ... sl_g-1.pdf
http://www.entergy-louisiana.com/Your_H ... riffs.aspx
For Oklahoma Natural Gas the current Delivery Charge per Therm is = $0.37323, and the gas costs $0.4868 per Therm for a total of $0.86 per Therm.
http://www.oklahomanaturalgas.com/Custo ... alGas.aspx
http://www.oklahomanaturalgas.com/Custo ... rBill.aspx
JamesW said:
Funny, for 150 CCF my bill was about $76. My customer charge and taxes and fees are static, running about $18 per bill.
Are you getting a discount, or a business price or some sort of bill averaging?Lershac said:
My parents are in Baton Rouge and love to gloat about their cheap gas. It's real, folks!
It's about that cheap in a lot of places. NG is the best value for the buck right now. Even in Massachusetts, the rates are unbelievably cheap. That why if you have NG, considering a NG heater makes a lot of sense as compared to a heat pump.
i have a Hayward H400 NG heater and it heated my 16000 gallon pool from 75 degrees to 85 degrees in 3 hours
try that with a heat pump
not sure what the rates for NG here in south florida
try that with a heat pump
not sure what the rates for NG here in south florida
I don't think we will install anything this year....but maybe next year. I still plan to go with a heat pump because of its ability to both cool and heat the water. Our equipment pad is only large enough for one unit.
Note that not all heat pumps heat and cool. If you want heating and cooling, then you have to get a unit that offers both.mhosborn said:
If we don't have automation, will I be in trouble with the Pentair heat pump system powering on and off. The Pentair 140K UltraTemp will be within 5 feet of the pool pump. Along with that, I will have a Pentair VS 011018 pump, IC40 with control panel, Paramount Clear 03 Ozone, and a Pentair FNS Plus 60 sq ft filter. Can you fill me in a little more on what I should do. I do have the option to upgrade to EasyTouch, but it will come at another $500 additional cost. I don't know it's worth it, since I won't have a spa. Matt, your comments are making me nervous and I want to make sure I make the right equipment/installation decisions. Any advice is much appreciated!MattM said:
Just going to point out that we do not recommend any Ozone or UV systems as being needed for outdoor residential pools. So, right there you could save yourself money and get the panel upgrade ... although admittedly I am not sure if you need it or not.
My pool builder recommended the ozone, so I consented. It costs about $400. But maybe I should rethink it. He said it makes the water much more clear at night when the lights are on (I will have two Pentiar 5G Intellibrite color changing LED lights and one Intelliglo color changing light on my reef shelf).
The only thing it will make a difference with if the weight of your wallet ... both in upfront cost, power to run it, and it breaks down the chlorine so you have to add more than you would without it.
Mhosborn, what did you ultimately decide? We are building a pool now in NW AR not too far from Tulsa, OK. Similar climate and temps. It's a 22K and we bought a Pentair UltraTemp 120R H/C to occasionally warm up pool early over a few days and to periodically cool down the pool in peak season if we have kids bday parties, etc. Our intent isn't to run it constantly either to heat or cool. We knows other heat pump owners who recommended over gas heaters; more economical since we're in the "south." Weren't intending to boil the pool with a gas heater [emoji3]