elwood58
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Most people choose to have a timer. Once up and balanced, there is no need to run the pump around the clock.
New pool build and bonding
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Well I hit a snag. Thought it might happen sooner or later. The deck is completely formed. Remesh will be laid tonight. A french drain of sorts will be laid in between existing patio and pool deck. All here is going well. The problem became apparent when I ran the strings for the bottom. The deep end was obviously over dug. The walls are a bit too steep of an angle and the bowl is about a foot and a half too large. So for now anyway, the plan is for my concrete guy to use some cheaper mortor like material and dry mix it and fill in and reshape the bowl. It will probably wind up being around a hundred bags of mix. ouch!
The deck is being poured today. Yesterday the concrete guy and the excavator got together to look at the over dig. The excavator went to confer with the local pb he normally digs for to figgure out what the best solution will be on the extra space. Hopefully I hear some good news today.
The salt water generator should be here today so after work I will be installing it. My electrician should be here tomorrow to finish up the connections from the main panel to the outside panel and all subsequent connections.
The salt water generator should be here today so after work I will be installing it. My electrician should be here tomorrow to finish up the connections from the main panel to the outside panel and all subsequent connections.
I forgot to show my homemade jig to hold the ladder cups in the right orientation to one another w/o having to actually use the bulky ladder. Im NOT impressed with the cups, moreover the bonding connection. It is a light friction contact between a thin piece of metal and the ladder when its inserted into the cup. The screw that is provided is too small for an 8 awg so I added copper grounding lugs.
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A hundred bags of mix only comes to a few yards. They should use some gravel and put in a dry well under the pool, stub you out a pipe at the equipment pad you can use to pull water from under the pool when you have to drain it.
Picture update. Deck is poured. Equipment trench and bottom of hopper and slope have a layer of concrete to take up some space. Today they will be packing in some lime chips and wetting it down to take up the rest of the room. My excavator tried to tell me that his PB that he works for likes that amount of over dig. Man that is 16 " or more from side to side. So they are fixing it!
Pool krete to immediately follow chips. Well today anyhow.
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Pool krete to immediately follow chips. Well today anyhow.
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Yesterday was a busy day. Ran all the electrical. Well with the help of a master electrician. Installed outside sub panel, water proof switch for pool light, timer, swg control box.
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Also finished the equipment plumbing. Installed the swg cell and flow sensor.
If I dont have leaks in all of these connections I will be shocked
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Now, as far as the bottom goes, that was not so fantastic. They did build up the over dig with crushed limestone. That took most of the day friday. The concrete guys got started on the poolkrete but only got about a third of it done. It rained friday night but didn't seem to effect anything. They will finish up on Monday. On tap for water by next weekend.
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Also finished the equipment plumbing. Installed the swg cell and flow sensor.
If I dont have leaks in all of these connections I will be shocked
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Now, as far as the bottom goes, that was not so fantastic. They did build up the over dig with crushed limestone. That took most of the day friday. The concrete guys got started on the poolkrete but only got about a third of it done. It rained friday night but didn't seem to effect anything. They will finish up on Monday. On tap for water by next weekend.
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This question may get lost deep in this thread and probably belongs in chemicals but ill ask it here for now.
Since I am getting kind of close to water time. I would like suggestions on steps to take to go from hose water to swg water. Should I do the bbb method to get levels before turning on the swg? ETC.
Since I am getting kind of close to water time. I would like suggestions on steps to take to go from hose water to swg water. Should I do the bbb method to get levels before turning on the swg? ETC.
Take a look at the water balance for SWG pools in Pool School.
You will need to add chlorine manually for a couple of days during startup. The main thing is to get salt and CYA more or less in range before turning on the SWG.
You will need to add chlorine manually for a couple of days during startup. The main thing is to get salt and CYA more or less in range before turning on the SWG.
The pool krete should be finished today. Both myself and my concrete guy are not real happy with the rough spots and seams in the crete. I knew going in that he had only done a few, seen a couple, helped on a couple. But that is several more times the experience Ive had. He wanted to get in there with a sander.
I am telling him to knock down the high stuff and fill in the crevices with a thin mix.
Does that sound right?
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In a perfect world I would like it to be absolutely smooth. Anyway he is going to give it a go and try and get it to a smooth surface. Im putting in a 28 mil liner, the thickest I could find.
I am telling him to knock down the high stuff and fill in the crevices with a thin mix.
Does that sound right?
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In a perfect world I would like it to be absolutely smooth. Anyway he is going to give it a go and try and get it to a smooth surface. Im putting in a 28 mil liner, the thickest I could find.
Are these rough spots in the walls? Steps? Floor? Will they be covered with Foam (walls/steps)?
The tiniest little mark will show up on the floor of your pool at night with the pool lights on. I put a snorkel and mask on the other night and dove down and took a look....the pool lights create shadows out of indents/imperfections in the bottom that you can barley feel with your fingers....and wouldn't you know it I can see 5 footsteps across the deep end, you can't see this out of the water.
The tiniest little mark will show up on the floor of your pool at night with the pool lights on. I put a snorkel and mask on the other night and dove down and took a look....the pool lights create shadows out of indents/imperfections in the bottom that you can barley feel with your fingers....and wouldn't you know it I can see 5 footsteps across the deep end, you can't see this out of the water.
Here is an example from my pool of things showing through the liner....you can't feel this footprint with your foot, and just barely with your fingers, but it collects very fine dust particles and is clearly visible underwater with googles at night with pool lights on (you'll never see it in the day)
There is actually like 5 of them walking across pool, couldn't get a pic of all of them at once
said dust in footprint
if you knew where to look you could see it in this one too, as well as other marks that you probably wouldn't notice if you were looking at the bare floor prior to liner
There is actually like 5 of them walking across pool, couldn't get a pic of all of them at once
said dust in footprint
if you knew where to look you could see it in this one too, as well as other marks that you probably wouldn't notice if you were looking at the bare floor prior to liner
Well I guess Ill see what things look like when I get home tonight. The remainder of the pool krete was put in and we discussed the rough spots. He is going to sand the high spots and skim in the crevices.
You never said where exactly they bad spots are. You all are going to put foam on the walls correct?
Tonight get a flashlight and shine it along the floor/walls. You could then use a pencil/chalk to mark the areas that the light identifies as really bad.
Tonight get a flashlight and shine it along the floor/walls. You could then use a pencil/chalk to mark the areas that the light identifies as really bad.
Here is the wall foam up. Did a lot of sweeping last night. I have a lot more to do. Still a couple minor defects to fill but for the most part a huge improvement. There were three of us doing the foam and it was not easy. Who would have thought!! The plan is to put the liner in tomorrow night. I still want to spend some quality time with a broom and vaccum, cut out the foam and fill a couple indentations. I started this project on April 23 so not too shabby for three weeks.
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Pool almost complete!!!
Liner was a bit of a fight. Had to pull it loose and send a guy in after the packing straps
Took forever to get enough water in to turn off the shop vac. P.S. Craftsman makes a good one.
My stomach turned every time I had to pick up a sharp tool and use it any where near the liner. In my mind its going to leak everywhere. I did spend the filling time to fill up the sand filter coat all o-rings with "stuff". Hooked up the light and tested it. Tomorrow should be enough water to turn the pumps on and pour in the salt and start working on the chemistry.
Landscaping will take all summer :?
Pool almost complete!!!
Liner was a bit of a fight. Had to pull it loose and send a guy in after the packing straps
Took forever to get enough water in to turn off the shop vac. P.S. Craftsman makes a good one.
My stomach turned every time I had to pick up a sharp tool and use it any where near the liner. In my mind its going to leak everywhere. I did spend the filling time to fill up the sand filter coat all o-rings with "stuff". Hooked up the light and tested it. Tomorrow should be enough water to turn the pumps on and pour in the salt and start working on the chemistry.
Landscaping will take all summer :?
Question :idea:
my liner manual says the pool is 27500the gal.
the kit company spec sheet said 22500that GAL.
18X36 W 8the FT DEEP end. Would u go with the liner companies estimate? Its about 200the lbs of salt more to reach 3200 ppm. I have already dumped in 15the
bags w four an stand by.
my liner manual says the pool is 27500the gal.
the kit company spec sheet said 22500that GAL.
18X36 W 8the FT DEEP end. Would u go with the liner companies estimate? Its about 200the lbs of salt more to reach 3200 ppm. I have already dumped in 15the
bags w four an stand by.
I very much doubt that your pool is 27,000 gallons. We have an 18x36 with a 7 foot deep end that only holds 19,000 gallons. Yours is presumably more than that, and 22,500 sounds around right.
Regardless of that, you should give the salt 24 hours to mix in, and then test the salt level before adding any more salt. Any time you are making a large change in any level you want to approach it cautiously, take one step, test, and continue adjusting from there.
Regardless of that, you should give the salt 24 hours to mix in, and then test the salt level before adding any more salt. Any time you are making a large change in any level you want to approach it cautiously, take one step, test, and continue adjusting from there.
Update picture.
sod laid. Still need a couple pallates more but you get the picture. Now just trying to get the chemicals all levled out. So far I have added a gallon of Muratic acid. The ph is just a touch high and the acid demand test still shows that I need to add more. Im trying to take my time with the chemicals so I dont over correct the levels and blow up the pool
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sod laid. Still need a couple pallates more but you get the picture. Now just trying to get the chemicals all levled out. So far I have added a gallon of Muratic acid. The ph is just a touch high and the acid demand test still shows that I need to add more. Im trying to take my time with the chemicals so I dont over correct the levels and blow up the pool
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