Is an indoor pool from the 60s a ticking time bomb?

NavinJohnson

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I'm definitely not the first person to ask this question, but I'm considering placing an offer on a beautiful midcentury modern, with both a major draw and demerit being the indoor pool in the house. I believe it's gunite. I'm in New England so I'm well aware the heating costs for this thing will be extravagant. The bigger concern is the fact that the pool is 60 years old, with the pipes running through the floor over a slab foundation along with old radiant floor heating, the pipes all running across the house into an electrical room halfway across the building. But boy is the place gorgeous. Would I buy a huge jerk if I went for this? A pool guy I spoke to said I'd be looking at a $50-70k resurface/rehab every 5-7 years which sounded insane and which I haven't been able to back up reading elsewhere. And that's not getting into the pipe situation. Oh and the main drain is currently plugged, presumably because that pipe failed at some point. But when I viewed the house the pool LOOKED great at least.

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Here are my 2 cents.

The lack of a main drain is not an issue per se. They aren't really necessary and LOTS of pools do not have them. LOTS more have had their main drains plugged. Would not be a show stopper for me.

Others with more knowledge (@1poolman1 @mas985 @ajw22 @JamesW @AQUA~HOLICS ) can chime in on the plaster rehab costs...

My concern is the heater piping. It seams that there are copper pipes and iron pipe. It also seems like they are causing staining. It would be likely that you would be into a long term fight with Iron and Copper staining, and likely need a solution to the piping (swap heater and piping), remove the staining and exchange the water, and potentially resurface the pool.

Just 2 cents.
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Beautiful … BUT …

If I were you and serious about the purchase, I would hire a GC in home construction and pay him CASH to inspect that pool room with a fine tooth comb. Indoor pools live inside a room that must contain very humid air. Unless there is a commercial grade HVAC system with humidity controls in that room, MOLD is a huge issue. It would not take too many years of disregard for the entire structure to be compromised. I would want assurances that what is behind the walls is clean.

Good eye to @PoolStored for catching the metal stains on the pool surface.
 
+1 to going over the HVAC system with a fine tooth comb. New (and/or properly sized) ones might cost more than the pool.
 
Do you want a pool?

Do you want an indoor pool?

Can you afford that luxury?

The life of the plaster on your indoor pool will be the same as an outdoor pool if the water chemistry is properly maintained. The pool and plaster don't know if it is indoors or outdoors. However indoor pools seem to be neglected by homeowners even more then outdoor pools.

With an indoor pool you have all the same costs as an outdoor pool plus the costs of maintaining the structure the pool is within. And the costs of the pool being open 365 days a year.

The pool and its infrastructure is just one of many things you need to do due diligence on in buying a 60 year old house.

Every pool is a bit of a money pit. An indoor pool is a bigger money pit. If you sue the pool throughout the year then the enjoyment of the pool will offset the pain of the maintenance bills.

I can pick on some of the issues I see in the pictures but really you need to look at the bigger picture. If the costs of having an indoor pool scare you then your should not buy it.
 
Here are my 2 cents.

The lack of a main drain is not an issue per se. They aren't really necessary and LOTS of pools do not have them. LOTS more have had their main drains plugged. Would not be a show stopper for me.

Others with more knowledge (@1poolman1 @mas985 @ajw22 @JamesW @AQUA~HOLICS ) can chime in on the plaster rehab costs...

My concern is the heater piping. It seams that there are copper pipes and iron pipe. It also seems like they are causing staining. It would be likely that you would be into a long term fight with Iron and Copper staining, and likely need a solution to the piping (swap heater and piping), remove the staining and exchange the water, and potentially resurface the pool.

Just 2 cents
Eagle eye! Thanks for the input, fellas. And there’s the problem: I don’t even know how I’d replace those pipes without jackhammering the floor through to the electrical room. So if something goes wrong…
 
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Eagle eye! Thanks for the input, fellas. And there’s the problem: I don’t even know how I’d replace those pipes without jackhammering the floor through to the electrical room. So if something goes wrong…

It is easy to be alarmist and play if something goes wrong.

It looks to me like all pipes going from and to the pool are PVC.

Copper or iron pipes seem to have been used for some external piping.

There are some sketchy thing that can be discussed with the visible plumbing but that can all be fixed with a day or two of work by a plumber.

If you are worried about "if something goes wrong" then walk away from the house.

Jack hammering floors is part of normal repairs for houses that have stuff buried in the slabs.
 
Here are my 2 cents.

The lack of a main drain is not an issue per se. They aren't really necessary and LOTS of pools do not have them. LOTS more have had their main drains plugged. Would not be a show stopper for me.

Others with more knowledge (@1poolman1 @mas985 @ajw22 @JamesW @AQUA~HOLICS ) can chime in on the plaster rehab costs...

My concern is the heater piping. It seams that there are copper pipes and iron pipe. It also seems like they are causing staining. It would be likely that you would be into a long term fight with Iron and Copper staining, and likely need a solution to the piping (swap heater and piping), remove the staining and exchange the water, and potentially resurface the pool.

Just 2 cents.
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Not sure what the process is in New England, but no one resurfaces a pool, unless it has been painted, every 5-7 years. And then it wouldn't be close to that price.
As JoyfulNoise pointed out, you need to consider the immense amount of humidity a natatorium produces. Here's a guideline to consider:
 
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+100 to hiring as many specialist inspectors as you need to - there is no way any normal home inspector or handyman will be able to answer your questions

Having said that - how old is the pool? I would doubt pool is 60 years old too. Can you find out who built the pool and have them come back to survey it?
 
Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. Apparently it’s a Scott pool and in very good shape physically and mechanically. The bigger issue is that they were using the central air system to dehumidify that room, and that system isn’t working anymore. There aren’t any visible issues with mold or decay but as some of you point out, it wouldn’t take much time for that to go downhill.

I should also note that this pool isn’t in a separate building or anything, but rather the CENTER of the ranch that kind of sprawls around it. We’re going to make an initial offer and take it from there.
 
The bigger issue is that they were using the central air system to dehumidify that room, and that system isn’t working anymore.
Price out a proper HVAC system for the pool. Maybe it's not so bad. Maybe you run for the hills. Local codes may make you bring it up to code if any related work is done. They may not let you replace what shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Good luck and keep us posted !!!
 
Beautiful place! Good luck!

Coming from a construction background I'm going to weigh in on this one.

I would absolutely, positively NOT tear up any of that floor slab unless I had no other choice. A mid-century house on a slab, especially in New England, has a very high chance of having asbestos wrapped pipes and ducts in the floors. It was very common back in the day and will cost you a fortune if you have to mitigate and encapsulate that due to someone accidentally hitting one. We're doing a project now for this exact reason.

If you're concerned about mold in the walls, it's easy enough to find evidence of it without doing a lot of work. Take off a few switch plate covers. Look closely at the plaster surrounding the boxes. If you see dampness or discoloration, that's a clue. Check carefully around the glass. Look for rust, discoloration, old water staining. Look at all the paint for peeling, streaking and touchups especially in the high corners and near windows. Those are clues. If the humidity in that room is very high, the walls will condense especially if they're plaster. You can pick up a moisture probe at Home Depot cheap. You'll make a few pinholes in the plaster but you'll have an answer about the walls and cavities.

You didn't say the size of the room or the pool but if you know, please post those up. I'd want this room zoned separately from the main HVAC system. Several ways you can do it. Either with a zone control system or on it's own system. With the high ceiling, amount of exterior glass, skylights and humidity levels in that room I'd recommend a completely separate system over zoning. It will cost you more to do it that way but it will be worth it if you can.

Being in New England, your heating demand is going to be far more than the cooling demand. Since the current AC system isn't functioning, I'd get a GOOD HVAC guy out there to take a look at what you have and give you some options. Emphasis on the V! Too many in the industry do not understand proper ventilation. Get several prices. Correct airflow will be just as important as humidity control. Do NOT let them oversize the AC. Bigger is not always better and especially not in this situation. Whoever comes out needs to break out a psychrometer and actually measure the humidity levels. If they don't, show them the door. If they won't actually discuss what they propose and explain "why", show them the door. You don't want the guy that comes out and just says 4 ton AC here already, OK here's your price.

Another thought on ventilation if you get the house. Consider adding two large ceiling fans. Slow turning commercial type fans. You don't need a lot of movement but just enough to circulate any dead air space above the beams and would help solve any moisture issues up there. We've used several from Big Rear Fans and they're my go-to for high quality, quiet and non-industrial looking fans. I think two would balance the room better than one or three from the photos.

With radiant floor heating, I'm presuming a natural gas or oil fired boiler. Fuel cost and efficiency wise, natural gas is much better. Discuss with the HVAC guy the possibility of going to a dual fuel system. May or may not be possible with the current setup but I'd strongly consider it. If you put in heat pumps and not straight AC systems, the added cost is negligible but you'll have a few advantages. The units can be wired to only run for AC and not use the heat function or you can run heat mode in the shoulder seasons and switch to the radiant floor in colder temps.

I'd also highly recommend getting the AHRI numbers on any new HVAC equipment. With the new SEER2 ratings that took effect in January, MANY equipment ratings and matchups are no longer meeting EnergyStar and the federal tax credit requirements. I'd be looking at the Carrier Greenspeed systems and the Bosch M20 systems, both with an added dehumidifier. Bosch also makes a very nice high efficiency Combi boiler.

If I can answer any questions, feel free to DM.
 
That is magnificent!
Buy it.
One possible option if major problems arise would be to just relocate the pumps and filter, etc closer to the pool just outside on the same side of the house. It would probably be much cheaper than replacing all the pipes through the foundation to the other side of the house.
 
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