Help with roof solar setup

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I'm looking to get some roof solar heaters such as these. I have an above ground pool (14' round) completely in the shade, and I feel like my only option for heating it at a reasonable price would be through solar on the roof.

Is there any sort of diagram I can follow, to make sure I'm not missing any pieces? I have two intex pumps (1,500 gallon) -- Can I run them inline or parallel or something to have enough power to get to the one story roof?
 
Even if plumbed in series it is not likely that two Intex pumps would have the necessary flow to pump water to a roof. That's why you see these advertised with the panels on the ground for above ground pools.
 
My caution would be putting water elements on your roof and for that matter penetrating your roof is not the best solution. The damage a failure could cause could be catastrophic for your house. Personally O would get a heat pump.
 
I'm looking to get some roof solar heaters such as these. I have an above ground pool (14' round) completely in the shade, and I feel like my only option for heating it at a reasonable price would be through solar on the roof.

Is there any sort of diagram I can follow, to make sure I'm not missing any pieces? I have two intex pumps (1,500 gallon) -- Can I run them inline or parallel or something to have enough power to get to the one story roof?
Yes, two Intex pumps can be plumbed in series, and it will double your head. I am using two 2100 GPH pumps with eight solar collectors (2'x20" panels). I pump up two stories.

I've been messing with solar heat a lot over the last five years with lots of iterations, pump combinations etc. The thread is here: Solar Swimming Pool Heat DIY with SmartThings Automation

I'm happy to answer questions. Aim for the same area of heaters as your pool. You just need a 3 way valve, check valve, and a vacuum breaker. The GAME 50mm to 1.5" adapter are super handy so you can just plumb everything with 1.5" PVC or ABS.

The solar collectors are just plumbed into your system so they are fed water after the filter...and the 3 way valve lets you send water to the panels or not. How you plumb the collectors is also important. Aim for four panels, and make sure they are plumbed paralell so all of the water goes in one end, and returns out the other. If you try to use cross flow collectors, they likely won't work due to the high pressure/loss you see with that setup.

For a pool in shade, like ours (18ft round x 52" high) it pretty much took 320 square feet of panels to get temps into the 80s. Nights are cool (often 50 F) and trees limit sun exposure to the roof panels more or less 11pm to 5:30pm.

So for a 14" pool, start with 154 square feet, or more. Four 2'x20' panels would get you 160 square/feet :)

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With one pump and 4 panels, the numbers looked like this: (the system at the time was just four panels on the first story...I added the upper four panels on the 2nd story roof after)

1. Pool Pump - Intex SF80110-1 , 0.2 amps , 1600 GPH.
2. Actual (measured) system flow with sand filter and solar array in use: 1028 GPH
3. Max measured BTU = 1028 x 8.33 x 6F = 51 379 BTU/hour
5. System head (max lift height to peak of roof) : 17ft

In the pics below, two pumps (.24 hp, Intex SF80110-1 and Intex SF80110-2) are plumbed in series, 1 before the sand filter, the other after. They flow 1800 GPH through the system including eight 2'x20' solar collectors...about 3.75 GPM through each panel. Your target for a 2'x20' panel is 4 GPM. The eight panel system generates a max of 105K BTU (about 30 000 watts of heat) but will typically average about 75K BTU for 4-5 hours during a sunny day at 75 F ambient temps.

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This image snapshot can be clicked on to take you live data from the system..I'm using some simple automation bits with Smarthings to control power to the pump shed setup. If temps on the roof are 5F over the pool water temps, it turns on...and off if less.

 
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Yes, two Intex pumps can be plumbed in series, and it will double your head. I am using two 2100 GPH pumps with eight solar collectors (2'x20" panels). I pump up two stories.

I've been messing with solar heat a lot over the last five years with lots of iterations, pump combinations etc. The thread is here: Solar Swimming Pool Heat DIY with SmartThings Automation

I'm happy to answer questions. Aim for the same area of heaters as your pool. You just need a 3 way valve, check valve, and a vacuum breaker. The GAME 50mm to 1.5" adapter are super handy so you can just plumb everything with 1.5" PVC or ABS.

The solar collectors are just plumbed into your system so they are fed water after the filter...and the 3 way valve lets you send water to the panels or not. How you plumb the collectors is also important. Aim for four panels, and make sure they are plumbed paralell so all of the water goes in one end, and returns out the other. If you try to use cross flow collectors, they likely won't work due to the high pressure/loss you see with that setup.

For a pool in shade, like ours (18ft round x 52" high) it pretty much took 320 square feet of panels to get temps into the 80s. Nights are cool (often 50 F) and trees limit sun exposure to the roof panels more or less 11pm to 5:30pm.

So for a 14" pool, start with 154 square feet, or more. Four 2'x20' panels would get you 160 square/feet :)

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With one pump and 4 panels, the numbers looked like this: (the system at the time was just four panels on the first story...I added the upper four panels on the 2nd story roof after)

1. Pool Pump - Intex SF80110-1 , 0.2 amps , 1600 GPH.
2. Actual (measured) system flow with sand filter and solar array in use: 1028 GPH
3. Max measured BTU = 1028 x 8.33 x 6F = 51 379 BTU/hour
5. System head (max lift height to peak of roof) : 17ft

In the pics below, two pumps (.24 hp, Intex SF80110-1 and Intex SF80110-2) are plumbed in series, 1 before the sand filter, the other after. They flow 1800 GPH through the system including eight 2'x20' solar collectors...about 3.75 GPM through each panel. Your target for a 2'x20' panel is 4 GPM. The eight panel system generates a max of 105K BTU (about 30 000 watts of heat) but will typically average about 75K BTU for 4-5 hours during a sunny day at 75 F ambient temps.

View attachment 446624

This image snapshot can be clicked on to take you live data from the system..I'm using some simple automation bits with Smarthings to control power to the pump shed setup. If temps on the roof are 5F over the pool water temps, it turns on...and off if less.

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation!
 
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