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    Is this how this is supposed to look?

    It's driving me crazy and maybe it's just some Ocd setting in but isnt this supposed to be straight?

    Also we had some issues with the electrician they put the sub panel right next to our fence making it considered easily climable and would fail our inspection so today they came out and moved it and this was their fix it looks horrible!
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    If by straight, you are talking about the expansion joints in your concrete, They look fine to me.

    Your electrical needs to be done right, and that definitely ISN'T. Call the electrician back and make him install a proper support for it!
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    On the expansion joint, from that picture it doesn't look the best. Though it does need to be looked at in the entirety of the deck. Truly it should aligned with the shadows cast by the railings at solar midday on the summer solstice if your really want to set off your OCD issues. Others won't notice but you will though that that will likely fade too.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    I agree that install doesn't look super great. It looks to be rigid pipe stabbed in the ground.

    Moving electrical is always an issue. You plan ahead and install it once. Its usually never as good the 2nd time. I'm curious of the 1st install, how it looked and why it being next to a fence wouldn't pass inspection. No one will be climbing on your electrical. ... i guess from the shadow in the first pic its some kind of metal fence and a burglar could use it as a step to get over? Electricians have many codes to follow unless they are told your concerns beforehand they are concentrating on all real requirements and not trivial 'what ifs'.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    I feel like they did it on purpose because we made them come back and move it and have it meet code. When I messaged pool builder and said how unhappy I was with the "fix" the response was "sorry it meets code"

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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    That "revised "electrical panel looks shoddily done and stupid. They must have been having a 2 for 1 sale that day. I wouldn't be happy at all.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    Generally people leave it up to the electrician to make the call on location and the mounting. If so, there's a risk to that as you can see. I built my own multipurpose wall to mount electrical and such on. Kind of like not documenting all specs in contract. Actually I said in the the contract that I would be building the. wall. I'm not trying to show you up, just putting it out there for others at this point.
    Stinks they have that lack of craftsmanship (or perhaps their stick-it-to-you attitude).
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    I wouldn't sweat the expansion joint, but I couldn't accept the electric panel. It is going to be a cluster if you ever need to work on the plumbing.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    Here's another picture

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    Expansion joint, I see what you are talking about, I too would have preferred a strait line, but to anyone else no big, that's why I specify everything. The electric panel, no way, that's not acceptable.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    Quote Originally Posted by cbrach411 View Post
    Here's another picture
    They should of put that electrical out of the way, maybe next to the fence....
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    Does your neighbor have a pool? The code for climbing only applies to people climbing in, not out. We originally had issues, because our city code did not allow the panel to be within a certain distance from shared common fence (ie. property line). Our panel would have been floating in the air directly in front of the plumbing, just like yours is. We ended up getting a waiver from our planning department, because common sense says that it would be a lot more secure and safe mounted to a cinder block wall. First time I ever heard of city planning using common sense.




    Also, concrete looks fine and will probably not be noticed once the water goes in.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    What are the supports? 2 galvanized pieces of pipe wrapped in 10 mil tape, stubbed up? Looks really crappy tbh. Is there a reason why they didn't attach it to the house?
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    I think there is a bit in the NEC code that does not allow electrical boxes to be mounted by metal conduit. Try quoting them NEC article 370-23 or 110-12 "Mechanical Execution of Work. Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner"

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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    i had to read your post and look at pics 3 times to try to see what was wrong, so that's a good sign. now that i figured out u r talking about the wall, i guess it may seem like it goes down on the right a bit. hard to say what it looks like in real life. i'd be disappointed but i'm big on plants so that'd be an easy fix for me as i'd plan on planting some greenery in front of it anyway. if u do that i don't think the eye will ever go to the wall. i just took down some olianders (having a heck of a time killing them, too, as they are under the block wall). i never knew the wall had so many imperfections until i took them down!

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    What bothers me is the electrical conduit is run against the plumbing pipe. If you ever worked on the plumbing it would be in the way. Why didn't they put it next to the house?
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorsgal View Post
    i had to read your post and look at pics 3 times to try to see what was wrong, so that's a good sign. now that i figured out u r talking about the wall, i guess it may seem like it goes down on the right a bit. hard to say what it looks like in real life. i'd be disappointed but i'm big on plants so that'd be an easy fix for me as i'd plan on planting some greenery in front of it anyway. if u do that i don't think the eye will ever go to the wall. i just took down some olianders (having a heck of a time killing them, too, as they are under the block wall). i never knew the wall had so many imperfections until i took them down!

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    and to validate u, i've been frustrated, too, with the pb not caring about what i want and trying to get by with whatever. with the amount that i manage the job and catch mistakes, sometimes i wish i would've managed the whole job! although, i like the warranty and backing from the pb
    I think she is talking about the expansion joint.

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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    so this is how they had the electric originally which will not meet code plus my children can very easily climb that to get over the fence.



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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    The expansion joint doesn't look good from just the one pic you posted, but if you look at the overhead shot from your build thread, it seems to flow with the rest of the joints in your deck. I think it looks good overall.

    The electrical. . .not so much. Looks like it was something done by an apprentice just learning electric work.
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    Re: Is this how this is supposed to look?

    So we tried to fight the pool builder on the electric and they basically said all we have to do is allow you to meet code nothing further sorry it looks bad the electrician said there were no other options.

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