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    Metal framed pool and SWG

    Hello Guys
    I have a summer escape metal frame pool which I take down every year. Over the weekend I did put it up again. Now I cannot decide if I should use the SWG this year because last year it give me a looooot of problems. If remember correctly then it was an error 91 . What I remember for sure is that I have to clean the plates every 3-4 days otherwise I get the error.
    Do you guys think I should give it a try this year also? Maybe somebody have a good step by step to make sure the unit works as it should?
    Let me ask. Should I first do the steps described in Pool School -> Water Balance for SWGs and then stick with BBB method?
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Looking at your thread from last year I think it is possible much of your problem had to do with your very high TA causing build up on the plates. Were you able to get your TA down then?

    How do your plates look? Is there any buildup on them/between them?
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Linen I took down the pool for winter. Past weekend I set it up back again and will finish fill it up tonight. I would love to use the SWG system so since this is a new set up can you guys help me from beginning so I will be able to use the SWG?
    What I should do first after I finish filling up the pool?
    30'x54" Quest Above Ground Round Pool , About 21,000 Gallons , Hayward Perflex EC50 D.E. Filter System 1.5HP Power-Flo Pump , TF-100 Test Kit , Two Hayward Main Drains on the Bottom , Hayward CL200 In-Line Above-Ground Chlorinator.
    77"x77"x21.5" Hot Tub

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Have you reviewed this pool school article this year?: http://www.troublefreepool.com/pool-...ater_generator

    Where you able to get TA lower last year? I think that will be the key to having less build up on your swg this year. My TA coming out of our well is typically up in the 300 ppm range. If I don't drop it down into the recommended range (in the doc linked above), I will also have scaling.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Yes I did read the article (couple times) and I just wasn't sure if this should be my first procedure. I purchase last year TF100 test kit and will test the water chemistry tonight. After that will post the results here.
    Linen may I ask you a question on why you have your copper bars disconnected?
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

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    After that will post the results here.
    Do that and then we can suggest an approach.

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    Linen may I ask you a question on why you have your copper bars disconnected?
    I didn't want staining or my swimmers blond hair to turn green. Basically there is no need for adding copper to a properly chlorinated residential swimming pool.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Quote Originally Posted by linen
    I didn't want staining or my swimmers blond hair to turn green. Basically there is no need for adding copper to a properly chlorinated residential swimming pool.
    So do you recommend it if I will be able to stabilize everything?
    30'x54" Quest Above Ground Round Pool , About 21,000 Gallons , Hayward Perflex EC50 D.E. Filter System 1.5HP Power-Flo Pump , TF-100 Test Kit , Two Hayward Main Drains on the Bottom , Hayward CL200 In-Line Above-Ground Chlorinator.
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    I would highly recommend unplugging them, they have no purpose when following the methods taught on tfp.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    I supposed to take measurements last night but instead my wife let me do some stuff . But anyway I was able to start the pump and put salt in. Should I take measurements before I run SWG? Or after? My concern is that is TA is too high again I would like to bring it down first before I start my SWG. Do not want to clean the cells before friday
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    You will need to get your pool balanced BEFORE turning on the swcg. There isn't a generator out there that will bring up the FC fast enough from 0.0 to prevent algae.

    Your best course of action is use the start-up procedures outlined in Pool School, Lower your TA, then think about turningon the swcg.
    15'x48" 4500 gallon Intex pool, buried 1.5 ft. Pac-Fab Dynamo 3/4 hp pump. Hayward S180T sand filter, bought used. Taylor K-2006 test kit. Rocket mass heater based wood fired pool heater.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie_R
    You will need to get your pool balanced BEFORE turning on the swcg. There isn't a generator out there that will bring up the FC fast enough from 0.0 to prevent algae.

    Your best course of action is use the start-up procedures outlined in Pool School, Lower your TA, then think about turningon the swcg.
    Okay. Hopefully my wife will leave me alone tonight
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    I have a solar blanket in my pool . Is it good ? Or I should keep the pool uncovered to help aeration?
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    You will need to keep the pool uncovered while lowering TA, to allow the off-gassing of the CO2
    15'x48" 4500 gallon Intex pool, buried 1.5 ft. Pac-Fab Dynamo 3/4 hp pump. Hayward S180T sand filter, bought used. Taylor K-2006 test kit. Rocket mass heater based wood fired pool heater.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Keeping it uncovered will help. More importantly doing something purposeful like turning up a return so that the water breaks the surface or going even further and setting up a fountain/spray from your return will speed ph rise due to aeration. You have a lot to do.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    I'm planning to make a water fountain out of PVC later that will attach to return. Now my return is pointing downward because I put salt last night in the pool and I want it to dissolve.
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    This is my first attempt at a water director for my pool. I was still using the small pump that came with the pool at the time. I have since made another one without the copper tube.



    Using that same idea and PVC pipe, here is the aerator I used last year to lower my TA.

    15'x48" 4500 gallon Intex pool, buried 1.5 ft. Pac-Fab Dynamo 3/4 hp pump. Hayward S180T sand filter, bought used. Taylor K-2006 test kit. Rocket mass heater based wood fired pool heater.

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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    How did you attached the PVC to return?
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    That was still the small Intex molded in return. The larger return fittings still have the smaller threads inside the larger threads. Yours may have that since your pool seems to use the same style larger pump/filter/hoses.

    I used the small return eye, just removed the rotating part and opened the hole to use a threaded fitting from the inside into a threaded elbow. I did have to shave the inner fitting a bit to allow room to screw it onto the return.
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    I did not know you can remove the middle rotating "eye" . Will try hopefully tonight and design a fountain. But I was also thinking of making a PVC return pipe from SWG to the pool so I will be able to put a "T" connector and make the fountain from the side of the pool. Something like this guy here: http://www.troublefreepool.com/downl...e.php?id=25815
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    Re: Metal framed pool and SWG

    Quote Originally Posted by linen
    You have a lot to do.
    Can't wait
    30'x54" Quest Above Ground Round Pool , About 21,000 Gallons , Hayward Perflex EC50 D.E. Filter System 1.5HP Power-Flo Pump , TF-100 Test Kit , Two Hayward Main Drains on the Bottom , Hayward CL200 In-Line Above-Ground Chlorinator.
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