Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 42

Thread: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Lafayette, Ca / USA
    Posts
    260

    OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    3 weeks ago I removed the "puck" and went with this BBB method and a TF100 kit ..

    I do the "major" TF100 test once per week, I do the "blue kit" that came with the TF100 test kit almost every day for the CL & PH - as a sanity check.

    This is the 3rd week ... results below .. Clearly the FC is way too low @ 1.5 .. I've had it up to 4.0 just 2 days ago (blue test kit) biut didn't add any since ... So I JUST added 354 oz bleach to the system (6%) ... I am amazed at just how much bleach I'm putting into the pool on a daily basis - anywhere from 80 oz to 250 oz. Is that normal? (Previous "pool service" used the Trichlor pucks - she showed up to "adjust" with liquid just once per week!!!) I am not adding anything else based on PC-... e.g., MA, Soda, etc... I removed the PoolRx mineral thing from the filter 2 weeks ago. The CYA is still hovering at 60ppm ... and I continue to add water to dilute things & bump up the water skimmer water level about every 3 days. I would have to add that I *think* the pool is a bit cloudy .. but not sure what "normal" crystal clear is ... Could be clearer, not sure. I'm *this close* to dumping in a "crystal clear adjustment solution" sold by the pool store - what am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance....

    Last TF100 test :

    TC = 1.5
    FC =1.5
    CC = 0.0
    PH = 7.4
    TA = 110.0
    CYA = 60.0
    CH = 260.0 (has slowly come down fron 300 over last 3 weeks)
    CSI = -0.01
    Temp = 90.0
    30,000 Gal FIBER GLASS (over Gunite Plaster) Pool, Dolphin Nautilus PLUS Robot, (2) Cartridge Filter System (old), 1/2 HP Pump, Full Sun, Solar Heated, TF-100 Test Kit.

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    You need to shock. Read up how in Pool School.

    Don't dump in a pool store chemical, it doesn't fix the underlying problem. Treating symptoms costs more than fixing the problem. If you have cloudy water, 99% of the time its a chemical problem. In your case, I think your chlorine was too low for too long and you have organics in the water.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  3. Back To Top    #3
    JasonLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Silver Spring, MD
    Posts
    37,879

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    For a 30,000 gallon pool averaging about 1 gallon of bleach a day would be considered normal. Bleach is more carrying than other forms of chlorine, which is more noticeable with a larger pool.

    Your low FC levels are why the water isn't getting to really sparkling. Recommended FC level is 5 to 9, and never below 5. You are letting the FC level get too low, so somewhat higher chlorine consumption is to be expected. With CYA at 60 you want to add enough chlorine today so that the FC level is at least 5 tomorrow. Letting FC get down to 1.5 at any point means algae is likely to get started.

    Shocking probably isn't required, as long as FC never went to zero and the water remains clear (even if not sparkling).
    19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot
    Creator of PoolMath and Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School

  4. Back To Top    #4

    TFP Guide
    PAGirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Central PA
    Posts
    2,388

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Try finding the liquid chlorine that is 12.5%. It averages around the same cost, but you don't have to add as much, since it's twice as strong. I get mine at a local Agway store.
    26' X 52" Intex Ultra Frame. Intex Sand Filter
    26' X 52 Intex Ultra Frame Install
    You can lead a horse to (clear) water, but you can't force him to swim in it!

  5. Back To Top    #5
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    If you post a pic, we can probably tell if its "need to shock" cloudy or "not perfect" cloudy.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  6. Back To Top    #6
    Richard320's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    San Dimas, CA (LA County)
    Posts
    18,768

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    30,000 gallons will use in the neighborhood of a gallon of 6% bleach every day. Maybe more if a lot of people are swimming, a little less if its cool and overcast.

    Secondly, with CYA = 60, your chlorine should never drop below 5. Which makes that color-matching test pretty useless, because I know for myself that anything between 4 and 8 looks like 5 to me.

    Cloudiness is likely caused by dead algae in your water. Not a lot, because the bleach is killing it, but you're not using enough bleach to get ahead of its reproduction. It's a stalemate. It may also be caused by poor circulation. Without a main drain, you need to make sure you have at least one return jet aimed down to stir the water up where the skimmer can actually catch it and filter stuff out.

    It's worth comparison shopping for bleach. Sometimes you can find 12.5% bleach at Lowes and it works out cheaper per %-gallon than chlorox. Or a local pool store might have returnable jugs of 12.5% at a good price.
    16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
    Troublefree does not mean Maintenancefree. It's like brushing your teeth: You can spend a couple minutes a day and pennies a week or go to the dentist once a year and spend several thousand dollars.
    A pool is like a pet - you have to feed it every day, even the days you don't want to play with it!

  7. Back To Top    #7
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    It's worth comparison shopping for bleach. Sometimes you can find 12.5% bleach at Lowes and it works out cheaper per %-gallon than chlorox. Or a local pool store might have returnable jugs of 12.5% at a good price.
    I went to Leslie's to buy some o-ring lube and a measuring cup today and looked for liquid chlorine, but apparently Trichlor or Baqgoo is what every pool owner on the face of the planet uses. It always strikes me how Trichlor is all places sell, then they act hostile when somebody uses an alternative that they choose not to carry.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  8. Back To Top    #8

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Amarillo, Texas
    Posts
    341

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    It typically takes me about 2-3 minutes every day to test my water and add bleach.
    18'x48" AG
    Pentair 1 1/2 HP Dynamo Pump
    Sand Dollar Sand Filter w/ Zeobrite
    Lil Shark Vacuum System
    Hard Plumbed

  9. Back To Top    #9
    techguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Antelope, CA
    Posts
    2,687

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vette
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    It's worth comparison shopping for bleach. Sometimes you can find 12.5% bleach at Lowes and it works out cheaper per %-gallon than chlorox. Or a local pool store might have returnable jugs of 12.5% at a good price.
    I went to Leslie's to buy some o-ring lube and a measuring cup today and looked for liquid chlorine, but apparently Trichlor or Baqgoo is what every pool owner on the face of the planet uses. It always strikes me how Trichlor is all places sell, then they act hostile when somebody uses an alternative that they choose not to carry.
    I think you to ask about liquidCL at L. I asked and the sales guy asked how many, I asked for a price, he said $10 for two gallons, I asked what percentage h said 10%', I said no thanks, I can do better on the price, he asked where? I said $6.47 for two at Walmart., he said we have great prices on solid, I said liquid only for me. Sorry for the shorthand.. On iPad
    -- Guy --
    10K gallons in 21' Round 52 inch wall Aqualeader AG, Hayward Power Flow LX 1.5 HP pump motor, Hayward Perflex EC50AC DE filter w/Cellulose, Wide mouth skimmer, 2013 new Diver Dan (craigslist) to replace the faded old Hayward AquaBug. TF-100

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Quote Originally Posted by techguy
    Quote Originally Posted by Vette
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    It's worth comparison shopping for bleach. Sometimes you can find 12.5% bleach at Lowes and it works out cheaper per %-gallon than chlorox. Or a local pool store might have returnable jugs of 12.5% at a good price.
    I went to Leslie's to buy some o-ring lube and a measuring cup today and looked for liquid chlorine, but apparently Trichlor or Baqgoo is what every pool owner on the face of the planet uses. It always strikes me how Trichlor is all places sell, then they act hostile when somebody uses an alternative that they choose not to carry.
    I think you to ask about liquidCL at L. I asked and the sales guy asked how many, I asked for a price, he said $10 for two gallons, I asked what percentage h said 10%', I said no thanks, I can do better on the price, he asked where? I said $6.47 for two at Walmart., he said we have great prices on solid, I said liquid only for me. Sorry for the shorthand.. On iPad
    I'll keep that in mind. I didn't ask anything mostly because the kid in there was probably the same age as me (17) lol. Now I need to find a reason to go back to scout it out for Liquid Chlorine prices. I was wondering, because they do have it listed on their site.

    I do love the full shelf of PhosFree and zero shelf space for test kits (they are all on a little spinning rack in a tight space between 2 shelves)
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  11. Back To Top    #11
    techguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Antelope, CA
    Posts
    2,687

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    As to your consumption, I use about1/3 of a gallon. My CYA is near 40 and it's been over 100F this week... And dog pooped in pool twice this weekend...gotta love her.
    -- Guy --
    10K gallons in 21' Round 52 inch wall Aqualeader AG, Hayward Power Flow LX 1.5 HP pump motor, Hayward Perflex EC50AC DE filter w/Cellulose, Wide mouth skimmer, 2013 new Diver Dan (craigslist) to replace the faded old Hayward AquaBug. TF-100

  12. Back To Top    #12
    techguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Antelope, CA
    Posts
    2,687

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    I would nt drive, just call.
    -- Guy --
    10K gallons in 21' Round 52 inch wall Aqualeader AG, Hayward Power Flow LX 1.5 HP pump motor, Hayward Perflex EC50AC DE filter w/Cellulose, Wide mouth skimmer, 2013 new Diver Dan (craigslist) to replace the faded old Hayward AquaBug. TF-100

  13. Back To Top    #13
    frogabog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Portland, Oregon
    Posts
    1,578

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Some of us enjoy adding bleach every day. I for one, actually miss it with the SWG. It was a nice peaceful whole 2 minutes.

    I noticed that you said you're adding water to dilute. I will assume this is due to evaporation and you're refilling. This won't lower CYA for you at all, as evaporation does not reduce CYA. You'll need to actually drain some of the water to reduce the CYA.

    I think also, that because you're continually falling below minimum that you may be consuming more chlorine than you would if you kept the water above minimum. The easiest way to do this is to dose the pool at night to the high target for your CYA level, after all swimming is done and the sun is off the pool. Assuming no chlorine is lost overnight, you then begin the next day with enough chlorine to lose ~50%, leaving you still above minimum. Rinse and repeat each evening. Easy peasy :~}
    Where kids swim in 54 degree water, turn blue, and giggle happily cuz they got a POOL!
    Year 3 BBB -15' x 48" Intex Metal Frame - Was using (2) 1000gph Intex cartridge filters (see Full time pumping Intex). 2012, converted to 1600gph and sand filter+SWG = Sand filter love affair!
    Don't waste time and energy looking for a better value on test kits, the TF100 is the best deal around. I did the looking and spent the extra money, but you don't have to make the same mistake. Just go here: TFTestkits. I use Pool Calculator for min/max, and shocking chlorine levels.

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Lafayette, Ca / USA
    Posts
    260

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Thanks to everyone for your posts on my issue ...

    - FYI, 3 jugs of 6% @ Costco runs me $9 ... Walmart has their brand for $2.87 ea, so not a huge savings and in fact would be more expensive due to gas to go out of the way to go there for me. I have yet to see 12% ANYWHERE - Walmart, Lowe's, Costco ..

    - When I wrote "cloudy", I probably had a hard time explaining the clarity .. It reallty looks very very good .. The deep end is about 9
    deep - and I can see the bottom just fine ... but I don't know what 100% "clear" means vs. normal difraction due to the depth (or whatever you call it). In bright sunlight it looks great. I'll try to snap a pic later and see if I can post it here for all to see.

    - I'll arrange a OCLT in the next day or 2 ... But based on everything I'm seeing, and your great comments, I think I'm just discovering that I must add Bleach on a dailyi basis due to the size of the pool and my CYA .. (I have NOT drained water and refilled in an attempt to lower my CYA - I had assumed (me bad) that evaporation & topping off every few days would eventually lower the CYA .. (Clearly the CYA amounts is probably due to the "pucks" the pool service used.)

    - And if all that doesn't do it, I'll bite the bullet and shock it ... I just hate losing days or a week of swimming after just coming into ownership of a pool in the middle of summer.

    Thanks all ..
    30,000 Gal FIBER GLASS (over Gunite Plaster) Pool, Dolphin Nautilus PLUS Robot, (2) Cartridge Filter System (old), 1/2 HP Pump, Full Sun, Solar Heated, TF-100 Test Kit.

  15. Back To Top    #15

    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    4,052

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Here's what clear looks like. The black spot at the bottom is the main drain, 9 feet down.



    Built in 1957 44,000 gallon in-ground, Wet Edge Primera Stone in Sky Blue, Intelliflo VF Pump, 600 lb. Pentair Triton II TR-100 Sand Filter, CircuPool RG 60 Plus SWG, TF-100 test kit
    If TFP has helped you, please click to SUPPORT TFP!

  16. Back To Top    #16
    techguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Antelope, CA
    Posts
    2,687

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    I have seen that many here use a coin test. You place a coin on the floor of the pool and see if can tell what side is up. My avatar is the result of that test, in a 100 pixel square with low quality. I can read what year my coins are in 48 inches of water.

    PS...Apple's spell checker is aggressively wrong.
    -- Guy --
    10K gallons in 21' Round 52 inch wall Aqualeader AG, Hayward Power Flow LX 1.5 HP pump motor, Hayward Perflex EC50AC DE filter w/Cellulose, Wide mouth skimmer, 2013 new Diver Dan (craigslist) to replace the faded old Hayward AquaBug. TF-100

  17. Back To Top    #17

    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    SW Ohio
    Posts
    456

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    I do love the full shelf of PhosFree and zero shelf space for test kits (they are all on a little spinning rack in a tight space between 2 shelves)[/quote]

    You have to be talking about leslies pool store. I went to the one by the Dayton mall and the old guy in there is a (insert bad name of your choice here)........lol
    18x52 intex ultra frame pool 6981 gallons, 1 HP LL pump with 19 in sand filter,BBB method,borax 50ppm
    leslies DPD test kit + fas-dpd chlorine test kit + borates test strips
    thru wall skimmer,hard plumbed with 2 returns 1 1/2 sch 40 pvc
    1 large fountain 1 inch sch 40 pvc,shut off ball valves on all

  18. Back To Top    #18
    techguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Antelope, CA
    Posts
    2,687

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    All I noticed at the last L store I went to was the pyramids of trichlor buckets, the really expensive toys, the $150 float mat, and i asked for liquid chlorine but its more than 50% more than WM.

    I left with my money in my pocket. My wife said, WOW, that place was expensive. There are good people at L but they would appear to only a few of them and it requires too much effort for me to find a good, honest one.
    -- Guy --
    10K gallons in 21' Round 52 inch wall Aqualeader AG, Hayward Power Flow LX 1.5 HP pump motor, Hayward Perflex EC50AC DE filter w/Cellulose, Wide mouth skimmer, 2013 new Diver Dan (craigslist) to replace the faded old Hayward AquaBug. TF-100

  19. Back To Top    #19
    Isaac-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    SW Louisiana
    Posts
    6,711

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    Like others have said it does sound like you have something trying to grow in your pool which is causing your chlorine to be consumed. If you don't like the idea of adding chlorine everyday, consider investing in a chlorine injection pump with a timer, most people here use some type of peristaltic pump, cost is usually around $400-$600 if you install it yourself. I am using a metering pump on my pool, but that is just because I found one new in the box on ebay fairly cheap ($150 give or take), however it requires annual rebuild kits that cost around $60 because the chlorine eats the seals.

    Ike
    Indoor 20x40 35,000 gallon vinyl pool with 1.5 HP 2 speed Jandy FloPro pump, Hayward EC75 Perflex DE filter, 11 4x12 Techno-Solis solar panels w/ Aquasolar controller, Aquabot Turbo T Robot Cleaner. Also LMI metering chlorine dispenser pump and HotSpring Jetsetter
    I use and endorse TFtestKits TF-100 from http://tftestkits.net
    ~Remember TFP counts on your donations to keep this site ad free~

  20. Back To Top    #20

    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Lafayette, Ca / USA
    Posts
    260

    Re: OK, REALLY - you're adding Bleach on a DAILY basis ?

    I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out -- e.g., (64 oz) 1 Gallon per Day for a 31K gal pool is "normal" (one suggestion) vs. is the balance "off" to the point something *IS* growing ... I think the OCLT will shed more light on that and I plan to do it tonight or tomorrow (since weather is turning cool for a couple of days anyway). I mentioned this somewhere before -- I took over this pool from a "pool service" who was all about "pucks" and weekly additions of liquid bleach for minor adjusts. I also removed the PoolRX device from the filter .... I'll report back my results. Thanks everyone !
    30,000 Gal FIBER GLASS (over Gunite Plaster) Pool, Dolphin Nautilus PLUS Robot, (2) Cartridge Filter System (old), 1/2 HP Pump, Full Sun, Solar Heated, TF-100 Test Kit.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •