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    New borate drop test at piscines-apollo vs. test strip

    I did not figure for that. Keep in mind I'm not a chemistry major. As for the drops of R-0009, I used Pool Math, some extra calcuations and head scratching, and 0.437% HCl as in this post to figure up the pH drop. For a little better explanation: I used the "metric system", starting pH 7.6...
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    New borate drop test at piscines-apollo vs. test strip

    The only reason I calculated the drops of R-0009 needed is so one can do the borate test starting at the same pH level of ~6.0 for consistancy, which is a yellow color with the dye. My TA was 60, now it is 90 because of my high TA fill water so now I can consistantly test starting from 6.0 by...
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    New borate drop test at piscines-apollo vs. test strip

    I followed the directions above to test my borate level. My test results: FC: 7ppm CC: 0ppm TA: 70ppm CYA: 50ppm pH: 7.5 CH: 325ppm Borate: ~ 50ppm Temp: 84F 1.) 50ml sample. 2.) 2 drops of R-0007 dechlorinates 8ppm FC. 3.) 10 drops of BTB 0.04% to get a pale blue. 4.) 9 drops of R-0009 to...
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    Ok, I see.
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    Thanks for updating the instructions. I also was wondering why you couldn't add BTB before adding R-0009 to visualize the yellow transition. The proteam supreme test instructs the user to add more acid (R-0009) after adding BTB if it does not turn yellow, if I'm reading it correctly, so I assume...
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    Thanks for clarifying. The borate drop test thread is kind of hard to follow and understand. I've added 50 ppm borax to my pool and am awaiting my BTB and mannitol powder to try the test. I do understand how to do the test but there was some things left unclear, such as: 1) Adding more R-0007...
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    Just thought, there is more than carbonate alkalinity involved in "Total Alkalinity". Not sure my question above makes sense now.
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    Well that certainly makes sense thinking about the 25ml TA test. So if you have a TA of 100, you need at least 10 drops of R-0009 to remove all of the carbonate alkalinity from the sample? That should move the pH from 7.8 to ~6.1. Is that a low enough pH level for the drop based borate test to...
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    I use muriatic acid in my pool. I was wondering so I can estimate the pH and TA drop for the R-0009 drops for the drop based borate test.
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    R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N

    What does R-0009 sulfuric acid .12N equate to in muriatic acid? In other words, as far as lowering the pH and carbonate level, R-0009 = 5% MA?
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    R-0007 FC drop in a sample size

    I did some testing and come up with the following calculations that I thought others may be interested in: R-0007 is thiosulfate, used to lower FC, and is used with the TA test and drop based borate test. Each drop of R-0007 in a 20ml sample will lower the FC by 11.0. Each drop of R-0007 in a...
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    CYA Sample Solution (50ppm) Photo

    To get 50 ppm CYA in 5 gallons of water it would take 0.033 oz weight of stabilizer, which is probably just a few crumbs.
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    CH Test

    Yes I had been using the default 3 drops of R-0011L with 10ml water but decided to try an extra drop. My CH test has never just crisply turned from red to blue as far as I can remember. Always have a purple before getting there, at least that's what my memory says. My reagent is getting old too...
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    CH Test

    For some reason adding another drop of R-0011L seems to help me with the color shift to blue. Is there anything wrong with accuracy by adding another drop? Even thought about adding 2 drops of R-0011L to see what happens.
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    Martin Resources Arctic Plus Ice Melt - CH increaser?

    Bag says "Arctic Plus with Traction Aid". Sounds like it has some sand or something in it. I don't think I would use it.
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    Unidentified Bug Issue

    Do you have a poplar tree nearby? http://entomology.osu.edu/bugdoc/Shetlar/factsheet/ornamental/FSyellowpopweevil.htm I have seen thousands of them in a poplar near my camper and it seems like they just fall out of the tree or fly aimlessly around until they smack into something.
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    PoolMath suggests half the required HCl

    Some types of Dichlor shock contain borates as an additive. Not sure what kind is available in Australia but maybe they used that. Try a borate test.
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    Foam 2x Weeks

    That algaecide might contain Alkyl Dimethyl Benzyl Ammonium Chloride although it doesn't say it on that msds sheet but the foaming is an indicator of that chemical. As mentioned the product contains copper which may stain your pool and look alot worse than any foaming. The foaming will go away...
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    Foam 2x Weeks

    What did you put in the pool? Chemical names are helpful. What are your test results?
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    Water turns green for a short period of time after adding chlorine?

    I've seen where people describe an unusual situation where the water turns green for a short period of time after adding chlorine then clears back up. This isn't happening to me but it peaked my interest and I never saw a definate conclusion on what caused it. If I have to I'll dig up the...
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    Using Standard CYA - Dot disappears at 40, not 50

    So are the 9193, 9197, and TF view tubes wrong or is the R-7065 solution not 50 ppm?
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    Pool Math Problem

    That is because it takes less acid to go from 8.0 to 7.8 than from 7.8 to 7.6 and so forth. The lower you go, the more acid it takes. So in the bottom section the programmer just decided to use static numbers to calculate from (probably 7.5 ph, 100 TA, 0 Borate). As you found out the calculation...
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    Muratic Acid from paint dept

    For 20.5% MA, use 15.7% in pool math and multiply what it tells you by 0.766. 15.7 / 20.5 = 0.766
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    PH Problems

    Dry acid adds sulfates which can attack concrete starting somewhere around 300 ppm, I think. Just 40 lbs of dry acid in a pool your size has added about 238 ppm of sulfates so I think I would switch over to using muriatic acid which is cheaper. Swimline hydrotools test kit is a droped based 4...
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    Calculating PPM by hand

    Bleach is labeled as weight percentage (ie: 8.25% sodium hypo) and liquid chlorine is labeled as trade percentage (ie: 10%, 12.5% sodium hypo). 10% weight and 10% trade are not the same figures. Trade percentage is easy to do by hand. What you need to know is the trade percentage of the product...
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    Warning: "Diamond Clear Mega Shock" contains CYA!!!

    Every msds I've ever looked at has always shown CYA if there was any.
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    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    If they hadn't seen me messing with the buckets, they would have never even noticed them. "What's in there?" "What are you doing?" "Let me see?" is what I hear. I knew right then it was over. Oh well. I get a laugh out of them most days.
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    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    Well, apparently I can't keep the kids out of the buckets so I guess I'm not going to be able to do it without the question of contamination. I've looked for a place to hide them and have none. I vote for Joyfulnoise to take a crack at it. I guess I'll use my new fertilizer in the garden so not...
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    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    Ok will do.
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    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    I've never seen a phosphate only liquid fertilizer. I do have some MG Bloom Booster 15-30-15 that I can use. I already have the buckets marked in gallon increments. My next plan is to wait until the FC goes to 0 (probably a couple more days), add the fertilizer to the bucket and mix, then...