Florida woman needs help...my head hurts looking at these quotes!

ckinchen

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Mar 1, 2019
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Orlando, FL
Pool Size
10200
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Hi! I have lived in the Orlando Florida area for over 25 years and have never had a pool! The time is right so started down the scary path of getting quotes. I created a spreadsheet thinking that would make it easy but I made the mistake of not making all the quotes the exact same pool. I also have no idea if there is a difference in equipment brands. I have narrowed it down to these builders and hoping those with "master pool eyes" can let me know if they see anything I should inquire about or any suggestions. Due to having drainage easements on the back of our yard and the county not flexing we have to build on the side of our house so only have so much space. I don't plan to put a screen in but undecided on footers as that will take up space that we really don't want to loose. We have 12 feet on the side of our house where the drainage easement is that we can't build but I can put pavers on, however that also means if we put footers or screen it will be very close to the pool and not much room for lounge chairs. So we are leaning towards just not do a screen and screening our lanai area that would lead to the pool. What are your thoughts? Is Zodiac a good brand? The 3rd builder didn't want to break everything down but was able to get some of the details. Is there a quote that you like best? I included several pictures, most are from one pool builder and the other one from another. What I want is a pool with is saltwater, simple due to costs, pavers, LED lights (assume that is best), larger pump and filter as I think I read here it is less work if you get a bigger pump and filter, and pebble tech as lifetime warranty (if true). We are looking at a 12-13 X 30 although the one pool builder put 29X16 which I am not sure will actually fit. Thank you for any and all assistance!!

Builder #1

Pool dimensions15.6 X 29.5
Pool Sq Footagepool 453
Deck Dimensions
Deck Sq Footage500 sq ft- 6/11 quote 543 includes Travertine coping
Features:
depth3' to 5'
lights2 LED nicheless lights 3yr warranty
SkimmerOne wide mouth skimmer
Main drainsMain drains (how many)? SVRS yes, and it allows you to add cleaning vaccume. We Provide 1 MDX
main drain. We used to provide 2 standard ones, but the MDX works better than those alone…as well as looks better
Returns4 returns
tile6X6 tile of choice with 5.00 allowance 2 year warranty
Filter/CartridgeZodiac 100SF Cartridge Filter 3 year warranty
Sweep line
ChrlorinatorInline chlorinator
PumpZodiac Flo Pro Pump
Electric hook up with pre-wire within 25 ft
Stepsshallow end steps and deep end bench
FinishQuartz Interrior Finish (10 yr warranty
Pools school and trainingStart up school
Lifetime structural Shell and underground plumbing
Dewatering with 7 yard rock allowance
Removal of Sod from pool and deck site with normal grading.
Accent tiles on stepsAre accent tiles on steps another cost? If so how much? No extra cost
0​
Underground plumbingFor extra 60 ft see 580 charge listed below
Termite pre-treatment??
PermitPermitting and engineering included, plans and drawings
BASE Pool cost7/29 quote 453 Sq feet35500
Additional features extra​
Salt waterTruclear 35K Salt Chlorinator1200
Paver decking (50sq ft, pool only), area drains, brick coping, Turndown work (includes coping)We also use area drains compared to old school deco drains. Area drains work a lot better for drainage and look a lot better as well.es- We use Area Drains, unlike a lot of pool companies who use deco drains. Area drains work a lot better and are spread apart so they appear cleaner and don’t have weeds growing out of them. (raised it a little from 6150 to 6590)
6590
Beach step / Sunshelf​
Sunshelf (was 950)- bubbler is 425. Both included in quote now850
Umbrella cup I believe 100 each
2.7 HP Jandy epump upgrade 150 GPm/CS350 Filter
Old quote:1.65 Variable Speed Pump/CS200 Cartridge Filter was 965
No the pump would not have a remote control… we really only add that if you have a spa.
2280
Bubbler if separate cost? Was 425. But now bubbler and 18" sheer fall is 1200
1200​
Extra electric or piping since 60 ft away​
The pipes would go 60 feet to where the pool is. Is the distance of the pipes included in the quote or is that an extra fee? That would be an extra fee… for both extra electric and plumbing length it would add $600
600
screen enclosure of just pool
7645​
Deck footers for screen
2670​
18' Sheer Fall included in June quote but in 7/29 quote extra and included with bubbler
Step risers/Tiled Raised beam included in June quote, now extra980
How are pavers around pool laid?We use a 4-6 Inch bed of concrete fines as a base layer than add a layer of sand before we place the pavers. We also handwash the shell of the pavers to reduce the chance of sinking.
Mini pebble? Pebble tech from 2019 quote was 1400 (called Wet Edge) - said included but need to check, confused. Not sure if included or not, but think so
Deck drain? Included in pavers cost?
Base plus all in green47020
With everything included, no pavers in lanai area
51870​
Notes- no pavers to lanai, deck is 500 other quotes are much bigger deck






Pool Builder #2

406Sq pool
988 sq ft including pavers on lanai - Deck
3' to 5'
1 Standard Incandescent pool light LED not included if want 2 LED it is 1400
1 skimmer
2 main drains, SVRS?
4 returns
6"x6" waterline tile around pool perimeter
Hayward Swim clear Cartridge Filter C100s, 150s, C200s, which is it?
1 Erosion chlorinator
1 Hayward Super II Dual Speed pump
Electric hook up within 30 ft
3 - Shallow end steps and 1 - deep end bench swim out (up to 5 lf)
Quartz
Pool maintenance kit and pool school
Lifetime warranty on underground plumbing, asked and lifetime gunite shell too
7 - yard de-watering rock allowance (Additional rock at $70.00 per yard)
Accent tile for steps and benches
Pre-grade and final grade
Underground Plumbing within 40 lf
Termite pre-treatment
Sidewalk replacement if broken
Pool 457 Sq Ft
30080
Haayward Aquarite salt system 40K gallon capacity (do I need this big?)
1650
Flagstone pavers with no footers - standard color options new and existing lanai 988sf
7410
Flagstone paver coping 4x8 - standard colors 91lf (7410+2093 cost divided by 91+988 = 1079 equals 8.80sq ft)
2093
Sunshelf with one bubbler
1,471.00
Hayward Tristar dual speed 1.5hp and Hayward Cartridge filter 200
200
Additional cost to have an extra long run for equipment would be an additional $1000
1000
8" bond beam (makes pool shell stronger)
601​
Turn down wall 6" to 12" (Is this for lanai?)
3562
Additional depth to 6'
800​
Mini pebble pool interior finish
1218
Deck drain $ 615.00
615
Child pool guard alarm
300​
Shuttle dig (said its to rent equipment to dig, pregrade, final grade and cost varies)
600
LED upgrade as 1 Incandescent included, 2 LED=1400
1400
Base plus all in green including pavers to lanai
51299
With everything listed- including pavers to Lanai area
53000​




Builder #3

400 sq ft pool
940 Sq Ft Brick pavers on decking, until edge of Lanai, how much of quote is pavers?
3ft to 5ft
(1) PENTAIR POOL LIGHT W/REMOTE, & HEAD (but in quote says std pool light?)
(1) SKIMMER.
TWO 10" ANTI-VORTEX MAIN DRAINS, SVRS?
Return?
STANDARD 6" WATERLINE TILE
PENTAIR CLEAN & CLEAR RP200 CARTRIDGE FILTER
INLINE EROSION CHLORINATOR
PENTAIR VARIABLE SPEED 3050 POOL PUMP, but then says at bottom included is Pentair Intelliflo Variable 8 speed 3 HP Pump Is this too much for what I need?
ELECTRICAL HOOKUP (BASED ON 40 FT ELECTRICAL RUN TO PANEL)
3 SHALLOW END STEPS & 1 DEEP-END SWIMOUT
Quartz (5 year)
CLEANING AND
TESTING EQUIPMENT (POLE, BRUSH, VACUUM HEAD & TEST KIT) INITIAL CHEMICAL TREATMENT AND INSTRUCTIONS ON
POOL OPERATION
ACCENT TILES ON STEPS & SWIMOUT
Cost for additional plumbing to pool equipment500
Permit and Engineering included0
STEEL REINFORCED GUNITE SHELL
AUTOMATIC POOL CLEANER LINE PLUMBED AND VALVED
RETURN FITTINGS & VAC LOCK FOR CLEANER LINE
NEVER LUBE VALVES
24 HOUR MECHANICAL TIME Clock
Dumptruck haul of the dirt
VAC HOSE, TEST KIT& NET
WARRANTIES: PENTAIR EQUIPMENT 3
YEARS, TILE 18 MONTHS, QUARTZ INTERIOR 5 YEAR, MINI PEBBLE UPGRADE LIMITED LIFETIME "NON-TRANSFERABLE",
UNDERGROUND PLUMBING LIMITED LIFETIME "NON-TRANSFERABLE", GUNITE SHELL LIMITED LIFETIME "NON- TRANSFERABLE", SCREEN 1 YEAR, CONCRETE DECKING 18 MONTHS, PAVER DECK 18 MONTHS (LIMIT OF TWO VISITS AFTER
PUNCH LIST IS COMPLETE). 3-D DRAWINGS ARE APPROXIMATE POSSIBLE RENDERINGS OF THE POOL AND ARE FOR
PRESENTATION PURPOSES ONLY (NOT FOR CONTRACTS OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POOL).
TO REMOVE 250 SQ FT OF CONCRETE DECKING AND HAUL AWAY (driveway and back of house)733
SCREEN ENCLOSRE BASED ON 9’ 6” WALL HEIGHT WITH DOME TOP, (2) 4 FT WIDE DOORS (SCREEN MEASURES 10’ X 40’ X 10’)
4300​
FOOTERS/TURNDOWN WALL FOR SCREEN ENCLOSURE, included in quote, cost $3816
3816​
PENTAIR EASYTOUCH WIRELESS REMOTE USING YOUR OWN CELLPHONE / COMPUTER
0​
If wanted to extend roof in lanai it is another $2000
Base 400 sq ft46894
PENTAIR CHLORINE GENERATOR IC40 (SALT MACHINE) included in price
12” X 12” STRAIGHT EDGE TUMBLED TRAVERTINE COPING0
Sunshelf and bubbler, sunshelf 1200, bubbler 540
1740
STONESCAPES MINI PEBBLE POOL FINISH UPGRADE (SELECT COLORS) $ 1,974.00, why so much more?1974
DECK-O-DRAIN FOR WATER RUN OFF
Base not given, but everything seems included including screen patio46894
everything on quote including removing driveway and adding screen to patio(need to upgrade lights)(didn’t add 1500 discount)
59957​
Discount if bought by certain date 1500 discount​
With everything I want excluding screen patio and footers and LED lights (including cost to remove drive way and back)51841
If subtract 1500 discount =
50341​
footer and screen enclosure of back yard with pavers
8116​
Total with everything and footers and screen
 

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I am not a designer, but will comment on equipment.
Under no circumstance get a pump with a SVRS!! Never!! They are a problem from the start.
Get a SaltWater Chlorine Generator and a Variable Speed pump.
As you do not have a spa, you can get away with out an automation system, but I did see a bubbler. So you need to consider if you want to go the equipment pad, move valves, and adjust the pump to use the bubbler, or just go to an app on your phone and have it tell the automation to do it all.

Cartridge filter is a good idea. Bigger the Better.

Builder 3 has the best equipment list as I read it. I would upsize the filter to at least a 320 SF model. They have a SWCG, VS pump, and automation.

Good luck!
 
Great that you are venturing into pool ownership. You have 2 nice designs.
The 1 with multiple views - suggest you consider moving the bench (in deep end) to other wall as you already have a cutout for it. No sense in protruding a bench into the pool if you have a cutout.
I tend to lead to the other design (the single grayish photo) that has the bench on the deep end wall. it seems very spacious. Not sure if that is one that you have concerns on the size.
Hayward and Pentair are the better equipment manufacturers with decent warranties and allows you to source all equipment from 1 mfgr. i.e. pump, filter, salt chlorinator (if you go with that), heater (notice that was not included and maybe you do not want that),
I calculated about a 14,000 gal pool. Similar to what I have. I have 2 skimmers as wind does more to affect picking up surface matter (leaves, bugs) than circulation. You may want to discuss that with pool builder regarding 1 vs. 2 skimmer placements.
You may need to push the pool builders to requote once you refine your needs and the layout of the pool. They work on square area as a base model for pricing then increase based on upgrades to size or equipment. It is the only way you will be able to get some sense of equality. Now a big factor will be the attitude of builder. You need to feel confident that he is listening to your needs and not just pushing what equipment he may have handy or available. Good Luck. I am sure many others in the forum will chime in.
 
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I am not a designer, but will comment on equipment.
Under no circumstance get a pump with a SVRS!! Never!! They are a problem from the start.
Get a SaltWater Chlorine Generator and a Variable Speed pump.
As you do not have a spa, you can get away with out an automation system, but I did see a bubbler. So you need to consider if you want to go the equipment pad, move valves, and adjust the pump to use the bubbler, or just go to an app on your phone and have it tell the automation to do it all.

Cartridge filter is a good idea. Bigger the Better.

Builder 3 has the best equipment list as I read it. I would upsize the filter to at least a 320 SF model. They have a SWCG, VS pump, and automation.

Good luck!
Hi and thank you! So when I googled SVRS it sounded like a great thing. My daughters have long hair and this could prevent drowning from hair being caught in pool drain...or is that not a reality? It sounded like it is part of the main drain. What do I tell them, do the main drains without that feature? Or is it really about the pump, it has to be a one that does not have the SVRS feature. And I do like the 3rd builder, he was saying bigger pump and was not sure if I need all that..but great point on the bubbler.
 
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Great that you are venturing into pool ownership. You have 2 nice designs.
The 1 with multiple views - suggest you consider moving the bench (in deep end) to other wall as you already have a cutout for it. No sense in protruding a bench into the pool if you have a cutout.
I tend to lead to the other design (the single grayish photo) that has the bench on the deep end wall. it seems very spacious. Not sure if that is one that you have concerns on the size.
Hayward and Pentair are the better equipment manufacturers with decent warranties and allows you to source all equipment from 1 mfgr. i.e. pump, filter, salt chlorinator (if you go with that), heater (notice that was not included and maybe you do not want that),
I calculated about a 14,000 gal pool. Similar to what I have. I have 2 skimmers as wind does more to affect picking up surface matter (leaves, bugs) than circulation. You may want to discuss that with pool builder regarding 1 vs. 2 skimmer placements.
You may need to push the pool builders to requote once you refine your needs and the layout of the pool. They work on square area as a base model for pricing then increase based on upgrades to size or equipment. It is the only way you will be able to get some sense of equality. Now a big factor will be the attitude of builder. You need to feel confident that he is listening to your needs and not just pushing what equipment he may have handy or available. Good Luck. I am sure many others in the forum will chime in.
Thank you! Great info. The one you like I really don’t think I can fit that wide of a pool. All the others said max 13 wide. I want to narrow down to top 2 and then go into their office to get final quote with design I love..but want to wait until I have figured out all I need and want As I am sure they want you to sign that day. And great tip on bench And skimmer. I forgot to mention I want pebble tech or what is equivalent because heard that is lifetime verses quartz, but not sure if that is true. For a few thousand dollars that seems worth it if don’t have to resurface in 10 years.
 
The main drains will be designed with VGBA (Virginia Graeme Baker Act) requirements to prevent entrapment. SVRS is an easy way out for the pool builder. It is a head ache for the pool owner. Ask @Jimrahbe about his SVRS pump.
 
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The main drains will be designed with VGBA (Virginia Graeme Baker Act) requirements to prevent entrapment. SVRS is an easy way out for the pool builder. It is a head ache for the pool owner. Ask @Jimrahbe about his SVRS pump.
Ok great! I will make sure it is not included! So happy I found this forum..I would have thought that was a great feature! I like the 3rd builder because they include a lot of nice things. The bubbler makes sense to adjust from phone and not opposite side of yard from where equipment will be. The equipment will be about 70 feet from pool, anything I should worry about or need equipment wise when so far? I know in Florida that is far, but maybe not in other areas of country. Want it next to AC and not take up limited space we have.
 
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C,

The IntelliFlo is considered by most to be the "Gold Standard" of pumps and I agree... Except the IntelliFlo with the SVRS option... It will go into the entrapment mode and shut off the pump if your next-door neighbor just passes gas... Well, almost anyway.. :mrgreen:

My advice to all pool owners is to never, ever buy any pump with the SVRS option..

I also liked the 3rd pool builder, but not sure if that is just because I am a Pentair kind of guy???

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Hi all! I have follow up questions.
I am very confused on lighting. I tried reading posts but not sure what I need or best. Trying to save money too. I am leaning towards the 3rd quote. It says it includes 1 standard light. I plan to get automation too. I have no idea what they will charge but want to be prepared to ask with knowing what I need.
So what is recommended for a pool this size?
Also they mention Bubbler on the sun shelf with manual valve. With automation does that mean I can’t control from phone?
 
Also they mention Bubbler on the sun shelf with manual valve. With automation does that mean I can’t control from phone?

C,

Just depends on what they mean by "manual" valve.. If they mean a ball valve then your automation will not be able to control it.. If they mean a Jandy valve without an actuator, then it would be manually controllable, but you could add an actuator and then control it via your phone. You almost never what any ball valves for anything..

It says it includes 1 standard light

Most likely this will be a 500 watt white incandescent 120 volt light... The pros are they last forever and are easy to change if the bulb ever goes bad.. The con is that it is white.

You could upgrade to color changing LED lights for a price.. The pros are that they look "cool".. The cons are they last about micro-second.. Ok maybe little longer, but they have poor reviews here just because they die after a few years.. Some sooner and some a little longer.. You have to ask yourself why you want a light.. Is it because want to swim at night, or is it because you want to impress your neighbors and friends. For me it was a pretty easy choice.. I never swim at night, don't care about impressing my neighbors, and have no friends.. :mrgreen:

Thanks,

Jim R.
 

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C,

Just depends on what they mean by "manual" valve.. If they mean a ball valve then your automation will not be able to control it.. If they mean a Jandy valve without an actuator, then it would be manually controllable, but you could add an actuator and then control it via your phone. You almost never what any ball valves for anything..



Most likely this will be a 500 watt white incandescent 120 volt light... The pros are they last forever and are easy to change if the bulb ever goes bad.. The con is that it is white.

You could upgrade to color changing LED lights for a price.. The pros are that they look "cool".. The cons are they last about micro-second.. Ok maybe little longer, but they have poor reviews here just because they die after a few years.. Some sooner and some a little longer.. You have to ask yourself why you want a light.. Is it because want to swim at night, or is it because you want to impress your neighbors and friends. For me it was a pretty easy choice.. I never swim at night, don't care about impressing my neighbors, and have no friends.. :mrgreen:

Thanks,

Jim R.
Right on, Right on, Right on!!!
 
FLORIDA in the house!!! About to get a pool! You are going to LOVE having a pool in FL!!

Looks like you have all the help you need on the equipment (thanks everyone! :hug:)

I will work with you on your designs. So why is there the narrowing of the pool in that area?

Kim:kim:
 
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C,

Just depends on what they mean by "manual" valve.. If they mean a ball valve then your automation will not be able to control it.. If they mean a Jandy valve without an actuator, then it would be manually controllable, but you could add an actuator and then control it via your phone. You almost never what any ball valves for anything..



Most likely this will be a 500 watt white incandescent 120 volt light... The pros are they last forever and are easy to change if the bulb ever goes bad.. The con is that it is white.

You could upgrade to color changing LED lights for a price.. The pros are that they look "cool".. The cons are they last about micro-second.. Ok maybe little longer, but they have poor reviews here just because they die after a few years.. Some sooner and some a little longer.. You have to ask yourself why you want a light.. Is it because want to swim at night, or is it because you want to impress your neighbors and friends. For me it was a pretty easy choice.. I never swim at night, don't care about impressing my neighbors, and have no friends.. :mrgreen:

Thanks,

Jim R.
LOL!! We have friends and the teens probably will want to bring their friends over and impress them but I could care less! That is a great point! I think it might be the same issue I have with my bonus/loft. We have about 10 "boob" 2000's lights, and the easy thing to do is replace with LED flush looking lights but I know they wont last and if I have a few go bad to match will need to replace all of them. It seems LED sounds great but does not last.
We wont do a screen around pool and probably will limit night swimming after initially getting. So as long as we have a light I guess we are good! Do you know if I need more than 1 of those incandescent lights? Or is 1 ok?
 
FLORIDA in the house!!! About to get a pool! You are going to LOVE having a pool in FL!!

Looks like you have all the help you need on the equipment (thanks everyone! :hug:)

I will work with you on your designs. So why is there the narrowing of the pool in that area?

Kim:kim:
Hi Kim! I was hoping you could help me out on design! 20 years in Florida and never owned a pool, it is about time! So the real issue is that I have drainage easements on both sides. I have a 30.5 ft back yard, but a 20ft drainage easement. We asked the county to let us use but they declined and it will be a huge pain and expense to try to get them to agree. On the side of the house we want to put it we have more space if I take out 10ft of my driveway, although we still have that 12ft drainage easement on that side and that is for an actual pipe so I know the county wont flex. I had posted about this a few weeks back, below is the link. I have a lot more space on the other side of the house but we have several Oak trees and we decided we really want it on the other side by the driveway. By the driveway is our living room and kitchen, they are connected and we can overlook the pool from inside the house. We feel our whole life is on that side and if we put on the other side we would never see it unless we walked over there. Plus we would need to move the 2 AC units and Well pump down so not right in the middle of the pool area if we did the bigger/other side. So because of viewing it and price we decided we want to keep by the driveway.
I like what they did with design but I would want to make the sunshelf smaller and have it come out just a little more so I can see a little of the pool from my back patio. I just don't know if I have enough space to do that. If I can do that then I can make the inside of the pool longer as the sunshelf does take up 6ft. The survey and the pool pictures are on the below link. The only other thing is I can add pavers on the 12ft easement after inspection but may also hold off on that as I guess I can do that later if needed. We are undecided if we will put footers in case we want a screen in the future. If we don't do footers then we can take more space. Such hard decisions!! Thank you for any help you can provide!

 
C,

I have just one full size light in a 20' x 25' and it works well for me. Here is a not so good pic, but it will give you an idea of how the light works.


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Thanks,

Jim R.
Oh wow!! That is plenty! I would want light so I could see if anything is in the pool..snakes, frogs, and bears since we get those too!
 
I like your reasons of putting it on that side of the house. You DO want to be able to see if from inside the house. I have great joy just being able to look out on it.

So lets talk about the "corner" and "pointy edge" on that pool. That area where it goes from 13' to 12' needs to be modified in some way. The corner will be come a dirt/stuff trap. That corner is a head wound waiting to happen. You have teens and they have friends. We both know they will horse play in that wonderful pool.

Take a look at my baby paint skills. I drew a line from the sunshelf to the 13' part of the pool to remove that corner. It does angle the pool a bit but notice it is almost unnoticeable.

fl pool.jpg

What are your thoughts after seeing this? Know it is okay to not like it. It will not hurt my feelings at all!

Kim:kim:
 
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I like your reasons of putting it on that side of the house. You DO want to be able to see if from inside the house. I have great joy just being able to look out on it.

So lets talk about the "corner" and "pointy edge" on that pool. That area where it goes from 13' to 12' needs to be modified in some way. The corner will be come a dirt/stuff trap. That corner is a head wound waiting to happen. You have teens and they have friends. We both know they will horse play in that wonderful pool.

Take a look at my baby paint skills. I drew a line from the sunshelf to the 13' part of the pool to remove that corner. It does angle the pool a bit but notice it is almost unnoticeable.

View attachment 157437

What are your thoughts after seeing this? Know it is okay to not like it. It will not hurt my feelings at all!

Kim:kim:
 
Hi Kim,
So corners become hard to clean? If so I don’t want that! What you did looks fine. Do you think it will look funny in real life? My girls are very girly so not too worried about rough housing. I wish I could see a picture showing something like this that someone has done. aware you thinking hard line or arch? Do you think there is a way to get the sun shelf out more so I can see from back of house more? I imagine myself drinking coffee in my patio in the morning and able to see a little pool 😀.
 
I like your reasons of putting it on that side of the house. You DO want to be able to see if from inside the house. I have great joy just being able to look out on it.

So lets talk about the "corner" and "pointy edge" on that pool. That area where it goes from 13' to 12' needs to be modified in some way. The corner will be come a dirt/stuff trap. That corner is a head wound waiting to happen. You have teens and they have friends. We both know they will horse play in that wonderful pool.

Take a look at my baby paint skills. I drew a line from the sunshelf to the 13' part of the pool to remove that corner. It does angle the pool a bit but notice it is almost unnoticeable.

View attachment 157437

What are your thoughts after seeing this? Know it is okay to not like it. It will not hurt my feelings at all!

Kim:kim:
Just a thought. Could you move the steps to that new line you put in thus you have the side closest to the house as 1 continuous side and the other side will have the steps from the sun shelf. Will that "disguise" the change in width? You could even move the seat in the deep end to the opposite side as well.
 
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