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==Basics==  
 
==Basics==  
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A DE filter or diatomaceous earth filter is one which uses diatomaceous earth to remove all but the finest material from the water. DE is the fossilized shell like structure of prehistoric diatoms which is a type of single celled algae. The DE is a white powder which is mined in various places around the world which was formed by the evaporation of the water that these diatom critters lived in.
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DE filters capture particles down to 2-6 microns.
 
DE filters capture particles down to 2-6 microns.
 
A DE filter is one which uses diatomaceous earth (~ skeletons or fossils of prehistoric single celled plants) to remove all but the finest material from the water. The DE is a white powder which is mined in various places around the world which was formed by the evaporation of the water that these critters lived in.
 
  
 
NOTE: Do not use food-grade DE as it is different than the DE used for pool filtration
 
NOTE: Do not use food-grade DE as it is different than the DE used for pool filtration
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*Make sure that the clamp and clamp contact surfaces are clean.  
 
*Make sure that the clamp and clamp contact surfaces are clean.  
 
*When tightening, tap lightly on the clamp with a rubber hammer.
 
*When tightening, tap lightly on the clamp with a rubber hammer.
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===DE Leaking Into the Pool===
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There are several items that can cause DE to leak into a pool. The most common items are torn grids, worn out manifold, damaged O-rings and/or gaskets, a damaged standpipe, leaking valves, or a pump suction leak.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/de-leaking-into-pool-solutions.221496/post-1939647</ref>
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Torn grids are the most likely suspects of DE leaking into the pool. Disassemble the filter and check all the grids for tears. The smallest of tears can cause DE to leak into the pool.
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Check the filter manifold for cracks and replace if needed. Make sure the air-bleed tube is in good shape.
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Check the filter standpipe to see if it is cracked or damaged. Make sure the O-ring is in good shape and seals the manifold.
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A leaking valve can cause DE to leak into the pool. Multiport valves and check valves that are worn out need to be replaced with new gaskets or seals.
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A pump suction leak can cause DE to leak into the pool while the pump is not running. If the pump basket has a bubble in it while the pump is running there is most likely a suction leak. The items that can cause a suction leak are a bad pump lid O-ring, pump drain plug O-rings, there are usually two drain plugs and they are often bought as a set, loose pipe fittings, and cracked pipes. You can read more about [https://www.troublefreepool.com/blog/2019/01/18/suction-side-air-leaks/ suction leaks] in [https://www.troublefreepool.com/blog/pool-school/ Pool School].
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===Temporary Repair of a Torn Grid===
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Quick fix is to daub PVC cement over the tear. You can even use it to glue a small cloth patch over the tear.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/safe-to-run-de-filter-grid-with-small-tear.260717/post-2280377</ref>
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It is a semi-permanent repair to keep a pool in service until replacement grids can be installed.
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===Pentair Air Relief Valve Tube===
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Clear vinyl tubing 3/4” id x 1” od fits over the air relief valve to direct the water.
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[[File:Pentair Air Relief Valve Tube.jpg|thumb]]
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===Pentair Highflow Manual Air Relief Valve Leaking===
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There are two O rings in the air relief that can be lubed and replaced.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/pool-filter-valve.225494/post-1977982</ref>
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[[File:Air Relief Valve - top half with gauge.jpg|400px|frameless]]
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*slightly pull out the 2 tabs (opposite each other) and continue to rotate counterclockwise and slightly pull up to release the top part which also contains the pressure gauge on top.
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*there are 2 little protruding tabs that must align to 2 holes to separate the top from the lower piece (the lower piece remains on the filter top).
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*There are 2 o-rings on the stem of the part that you removed. These create a seal when in full lock position. If either are damaged then that could be causing the piece not to full rotate into the lock position.
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Ace Hardware has 2 orings that match the original orings. The lower one (the smallest of the 2) is 5/16" ID x 1/2" OD and 3/32 body diameter. ACE #59597. The upper o-ring is 3/4" ID x 7/8" OD and 1/16" body diameter. ACE #56012. They cost 0.79 cents and 0.69 cents respectively.
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[[File:Air Relief Valve close up Stem.jpg|400px|frameless|Air Relief Valve close up Stem]]
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To remove the O rings squeeze with 2 fingers (on opposite sides) so that it makes like an oval and you can then roll the oring out of the groove. Try not to use a sharp object to dig it out of the groove as that can damage the oring. Once out, clean the groove and then also clean the oring with a paper towel. Do not stretch the oring. Then take some [[Pool Lube]] and rub on the oring. Since these are small o-rings you can just work it around with your finger in palm of your hand.
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The big O-ring should always be lubed if you remove the top. Since this is a large o-ring seal, remove it with 2 hands and try not to stretch it. Put lube on o-ring and work it around the entire circumference with your fingers. You may have to add several daps of [[Pool Lube]] as you work it around. Just let the o-ring hang as you work it around, do not stretch or pull on it. Also, clean the bottom and top sections where the o-ring will seal - you want to wipe those down with a rag to remove debris. Then place the o-ring back in place on the bottom half of the filter and ensure it is not twisted and sits properly on the circumference of the filter housing.
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===Replacement DE Manifold===
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[https://www.c-m-p.com/pool-products/replacement-parts/manifolds/ CMP has replacement manifolds] for Pentair, Hayward, and Jandy DE filters.
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[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BRQX43TZ Swimables] has a new manifold for Pentair DE filters that has done away with the Air Bleeder assembly that has always been a part of the Pentair Manifold. That assembly is the six inch long plastic tube with a little mesh screen "hat" on top.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/alternative-pentair-fns-plus-de-filter-manifold-assembly.290133/post-2545964</ref> To get rid of the air bleed tube, they've come up with a sort of "micro perforated" area that's actually built into the plastic on the top of the new manifold design. Apparently it allows the air to bleed out as needed, but likewise DE can't penetrate it "backwards" and cause DE leaks into the pool.
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Valpak has similar replacement DE filter manifolds.
  
 
==Tips for your DE Filter==
 
==Tips for your DE Filter==
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*For hayward grid filters simply divide the filter's area in sq feet by 8 to get the # of lbs DE to add when filter is fully clean. For the bump filters it's not as linear (but is still very easy). All the models start "EC-'X''Y' (ie EC-50 - X=5, Y=0), use X as the # of lbs DE to add to a fully clean unit.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-33131</ref>
 
*For hayward grid filters simply divide the filter's area in sq feet by 8 to get the # of lbs DE to add when filter is fully clean. For the bump filters it's not as linear (but is still very easy). All the models start "EC-'X''Y' (ie EC-50 - X=5, Y=0), use X as the # of lbs DE to add to a fully clean unit.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-33131</ref>
 
*Other manufacturers have the owners add an extra 1/2 lb for clean start up
 
*Other manufacturers have the owners add an extra 1/2 lb for clean start up
* Pentair recommendation of 6 lbs for a full charge (interesting that it is less than the same sized Hayward at 7.5 lbs) ... and then after backwash add only ~4.8 lbs.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-479483</ref>
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*Pentair recommendation for an FNS60 60 sq ft filter of 6 lbs for a full charge (interesting that it is less than the same sized Hayward at 7.5 lbs) ... and then after backwash add only ~4.8 lbs.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-479483</ref>
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*Rule of thumb - 1 lb - 1.5 lb of DE for every 10 square feet of filter area for a clean filter and 80% of that after a backwash.
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===Adding DE to a Filter if Skimmer is Inoperative===
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*Open filter<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/first-time-filter-clean.251736/post-2203542</ref>
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*try to drain water below the tank half (or use a scoop to remove some)
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*pour DE into tank (it will settle into any water in the tank
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*close filter
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*turn on pump
  
 
===No RINSE position on on a Hayward D.E.7220 MPV===
 
===No RINSE position on on a Hayward D.E.7220 MPV===
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===Damp DE will get moldy===
 
===Damp DE will get moldy===
 
Transfer the DE from the ubiquitous cardboard box to a plastic can of some sort (kitty litter cans work fine). Moldy DE just doesn't seem to perform well at all.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-698544</ref>
 
Transfer the DE from the ubiquitous cardboard box to a plastic can of some sort (kitty litter cans work fine). Moldy DE just doesn't seem to perform well at all.<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/use-and-care-for-de-filters.3853/post-698544</ref>
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===Inspect New Filter Grids Before Installation===
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Here is what one member found when he bought new Pentair filter grids<ref>https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/de-leak-solved-tips.222612/post-1950361</ref>...
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''The best price I could find on a new manifold was to buy a Pentair kit that included the new manifold plus 8 new OEM Pentair filter elements. I didn't need the elements at that point, but the price was great and I was glad to have spares. The new replacement elements I'd originally installed before finding the manifold crack had been third party product. They looked fine but not as stout as the original Pentair elements had been. Since the OEM elements had been flawless for 7+ years, I installed them at the next filter cleaning. A couple of days later, I can see signs of another DE leak. Ugh. It can't be the new OEM elements, can it? (Hint: yes it can.) But first I replaced the stand pipe o-ring. No change. My multiport valve needed cleaning anyway so I did that next. Discovered the multiport gasket was worn so I replaced that too. The multiport operated easily again (yay), but the slow DE leak persisted (ugh). It was what I thought it was. Oh goody.''
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''So I took the filter apart (again) (what a fun job) (I should do this more often just for exercise) and inspected all 8 of the new OEM Pentair filter elements like I was sick of the leaks, and frustrated and taking it all personally. (I was.) Turns out the new elements weren't perfect after all. One of them had a seam sewing error. Not a big one, so I'd missed it on the too casual inspection I gave them all when I first installed them. But it was a big enough gap to cause the leak -- about a half inch of that bottom seam wasn't fully sealed. DE is tiny, we all know, that it doesn't take much of a gap to bleed through. I inspected all 8 the same way. Only one had the problem.''
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''A tip: My leaking seam was at the bottom of the filter element. In other words, the end opposite where the little connection tube pops out, the thing you slide up into the manifold after a full cleaning. If you have a new element "seam leak" that's probably a good place to start to start looking. It looks like those element covers are fabricated with the top seam (where the connection tube pops out) and the two long side seams already stitched together. The finished-on-three sides fabric covers then get pulled over the frame, with only that last "bottom" seam left to sew closed. With the wobbly plastic frame inside, that final seam is a bigger challenge. On these Pentair elements, that bottom seam had a different colored seam thread than the other three sides did (black on the bottom versus white everywhere else), another clue that it's a little different. And on my 8 new elements, the wonkiest looking seam stitching on all of them was on the bottom side. Only one had aa gap though. I replaced that grid with one of my third-party spares, and boom, problem solved. Last tips you will really have to "separate the fabric flaps" to give the top and bottom seams a good look and make sure they're sewn tight and fully closed. If that doesn't make sense now, don't worry, it will once you get in there. And do the inspection on a bright sunny day if possible, good light makes the necessary close inspection easier.''
 
   
 
   
  
  
 
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Use and Care For most DE Filters

Basics

A DE filter or diatomaceous earth filter is one which uses diatomaceous earth to remove all but the finest material from the water. DE is the fossilized shell like structure of prehistoric diatoms which is a type of single celled algae. The DE is a white powder which is mined in various places around the world which was formed by the evaporation of the water that these diatom critters lived in.

DE filters capture particles down to 2-6 microns.

NOTE: Do not use food-grade DE as it is different than the DE used for pool filtration

The DE is kept in the water flow of the filter because it coats the internal grids or fingers which make up the filters internal "nets" allowing dirt and debris to be captured by the microscopic paths created by the coating. Because of the nature of the "paths" through the DE coating, algae (which is the approximate size of the paths) can easily and quickly congest a DE filter, most DE filter owners find this to be the biggest drawback of owning one.

DE must be added to the filter via the skimmer, with the pump running, the amount to add is dependent upon the size of the filter. When adding DE to a filter, most manufacturers recommend mixing the powder with water before pouring it into the skimmer - I have found that adding the powder directly into the skimmer is equally effective, if you have more than 1 suction source operating at the time of addition. (having a second, or third, suction source allows the DE rich water from the skimmer to properly mix with "non-DE water" from the other source(s) to evenly coat the grids).

However, DE filters, while providing the finest filtration, DO have their downsides! If you do a "backwash" (discussed later) or do a thorough cleaning of the filter, you need to add more DE to it - and, if you add too much or too little, you'll likely have filter problems! Too much DE will clog the filter and decrease the efficiency of it.

Similarly, too little DE will not catch enough (dirt, etc) and cause the grids to clog up with the debris, both of which require a manual cleaning of the grids and possibly a chemical cleaning of them.

Also, "bleeding" the air out of the unit before adding DE is KEY! - the fresh DE can only coat the parts of the grids that are in water!

Knowing how much DE you are actually adding to the unit is VERY important! The best way is with a premeasured scoop - they are inexpensive and well worth the $ spent, any place that sells DE should have one available. DO NOT USE a 1lb. scoop or canister that is not specifically for DE (ie. A 1 lb. coffee can only holds ~ ½ lb. DE) If you have an accurate scale that will allow you to weigh the container first and then the weight of the DE when it's full, that's fine -- just be SURE to know ~ how much DE you add when you are adding it! {NOTE: It is a very good idea to weigh the DE in your scoop as it can vary tremendously based on how "packed" the powder is in the scoop. Doing this at least the first time will give you a better feel for how much DE the scoop holds using your methods}

Types

There are 2 different types of DE filters:

The first uses "fingers" (fabric wrapped hollow tubes, usually 100/filter) to collect a layer of the DE on. This style is also known as a "bump" filter because the DE can be "recharged" via the use of a handle which moves the whole assembly up and down to expose new pathways in the DE coating without having to replace any DE (I'll talk about "bumping" a filter in a minute.) (There are some "grid" filters which have a handle on the top connected to a plastic plate which operate the same way)

The newer models have a series of grids to collect the DE and either have a multiport valve or a "push/pull" valve. These units allow you to "backwash" most of the DE out when the filter needs to be cleaned. (* some localities do not allow wasted DE to be flushed into sewers or even onto your own property - in that case a "separator" would need to be installed on the backwash line).

Start-Up

The fabric which holds the DE does very little to filter the water! As such, a DE filter needs to have a coating of DE on the grids/fingers as soon as the pool is started up. Your installer or pool tech should do this for you the first time and give you a complete lesson on operating your pool (called "pool school" - it's a lot of info all at once and it is very understandable that some of the info is forgotten by a pool owner).

The amount of DE required by each filter is determined by the size of the filter - there should be a label on the filter identifying the size of the unit and how much DE it requires when completely clean. As said, KNOWING how much DE you are adding is key! Make sure to note what the pressure gauge reads when the unit is clean and freshly coated with the DE!!

Maintaining a DE Filter

Your filter should run anywhere from 8 psi to 20 psi with fresh DE put in it, depending on your pump, plumbing and filter system. Some setups, like with in-floor cleaners, may run at even higher pressures. When the pressure rises 20-25% of the clean pressure, it's time to clean the used DE out of it. (when doing any filter work, turn off the pump)

You can also see DE Filter Cleaning Tutorial.

For a Pentair QuadDE filter see Guts of QuadDE Filter.

Bump filters

  1. Turn the pump off.
  2. Open the air valve on the top of the unit for ~5 sec. and close (bumping with the unit full of water will harm the unit!)
  3. Slowly push the handle down and quickly raise it up 4 - 6 times.
  4. Now turn the pump back on and see if the psi went down, if it didn't drop more than 2 psi, you need to dump the used DE.
  5. (if you need to dump the DE) - Open the drain outlet on the filter after doing steps 1 and 2 and run the pump for 20 seconds. Close the outlet and run the pump for a minute (don't do this if you have an algae problem! The uncoated parts of the fingers will collect algae too quickly and clog), then repeat the procedure (make sure you open the air relief while the pump is running until water comes out of it)
  6. At this point, you have removed ~80% of the old/ used DE so only add 80% of the DE you would use in a new or fully clean filter!!

Grid filters

  1. Pretty much the same as bump, except you have a valve (either the on/off plunger or a multiport) which allows you to backwash the filter when the pressure rises 20-25%.
  2. {Always!! Turn off the pump when changing the backwash valve positions!!} Turn the multiport to "backwash" and restart the pump, watch the view-glass or the end of the discharge hose to see when the backwashed water becomes ~clear. When it is fairly clear, turn the multi to "rinse" for 15 - 20 seconds, and then back to "backwash" until the water runs ~clear again. Repeat the "rinse/backwash" cycle until the water comes out clear when backwashing, add a short "rinse" and the filter is about as clean as you'll get it using the "backwash" function.
  3. If the water in the pool is fairly clear, I'll throw in a 1 min filter cycle and do the "backwash/rinse" cycle(s) again.
  4. At this point, you have removed ~ 80% of the old/ used DE so only add 80% of the DE you would use in a new or fully clean filter!!
  5. Note: if you have the on/off plunger valve, you will alternate between "backwash" and "filter" instead of "rinse".

When bumping/ backwashing doesn't work

Sometimes just "dumping" the old DE isn't enough to get you back to proper filter performance - this can be caused by algae (or some other fine debris clogging the DE), or you didn't clean the filter soon enough, or the grids/fingers getting clogged up.

At this point, you need to take the filter apart and manually hose the grids/fingers off (it's a wet process - so be prepared to get soaked). I recommend the manual hosing every year (I like doing it in the fall when the pool is being closed because, then you know the filter is ready for another season). For a walk-through on taking a grid DE filter apart, see the DE Filter Cleaning Tutorial. If you have a cartridge style DE filter, see the QuadDE Tutorial.

If, when manually rinsing the grids, you notice that water is staying in the membrane for more than ~30 seconds, it's time for a chemical cleaning!

To chemically clean the grids/ nest

  1. Have a bucket/container large enough to hold the entire assembly - A large plastic garbage can works well.
  2. Add some TSP (tri-sodium-phosphate) to the water or some electric dishwasher detergent to the water and soak the grids for at least 3 hours - this will "de-grease" the membranes and is the first step in cleaning them, rinse with hose and get ready for step 3.
  3. Dump the container, refill with water and add muriatic acid to the water so that you have a 10:1 water:acid mixture and soak the grids for at least another 3 hours, this will clean any calcium off of the grids. Rinse grids again and reinstall them in the filter. Note:[1] Pentair DE Grid Owner's Manual, the procedure recommended is a 6:1 water/acid mix and to soak for at least 4 hrs.
  4. Now, run pump and bleed off the air from the filter and add 100% of the DE the filter calls for.

DE Filter Assembly

  • Make sure that the O-ring is clean and lubricated with silicone lubricant. Push the O-ring through your fingers, don't pull because pulling stretches the O-ring.
  • Make sure that the sealing surfaces are clean and lightly lubricated with silicone lubricant.
  • Make sure that the clamp and clamp contact surfaces are clean.
  • When tightening, tap lightly on the clamp with a rubber hammer.

DE Leaking Into the Pool

There are several items that can cause DE to leak into a pool. The most common items are torn grids, worn out manifold, damaged O-rings and/or gaskets, a damaged standpipe, leaking valves, or a pump suction leak.[2]

Torn grids are the most likely suspects of DE leaking into the pool. Disassemble the filter and check all the grids for tears. The smallest of tears can cause DE to leak into the pool.

Check the filter manifold for cracks and replace if needed. Make sure the air-bleed tube is in good shape.

Check the filter standpipe to see if it is cracked or damaged. Make sure the O-ring is in good shape and seals the manifold.

A leaking valve can cause DE to leak into the pool. Multiport valves and check valves that are worn out need to be replaced with new gaskets or seals.

A pump suction leak can cause DE to leak into the pool while the pump is not running. If the pump basket has a bubble in it while the pump is running there is most likely a suction leak. The items that can cause a suction leak are a bad pump lid O-ring, pump drain plug O-rings, there are usually two drain plugs and they are often bought as a set, loose pipe fittings, and cracked pipes. You can read more about suction leaks in Pool School.

Temporary Repair of a Torn Grid

Quick fix is to daub PVC cement over the tear. You can even use it to glue a small cloth patch over the tear.[3]

It is a semi-permanent repair to keep a pool in service until replacement grids can be installed.

Pentair Air Relief Valve Tube

Clear vinyl tubing 3/4” id x 1” od fits over the air relief valve to direct the water.

Pentair Air Relief Valve Tube.jpg

Pentair Highflow Manual Air Relief Valve Leaking

There are two O rings in the air relief that can be lubed and replaced.[4]

Air Relief Valve - top half with gauge.jpg

  • slightly pull out the 2 tabs (opposite each other) and continue to rotate counterclockwise and slightly pull up to release the top part which also contains the pressure gauge on top.
  • there are 2 little protruding tabs that must align to 2 holes to separate the top from the lower piece (the lower piece remains on the filter top).
  • There are 2 o-rings on the stem of the part that you removed. These create a seal when in full lock position. If either are damaged then that could be causing the piece not to full rotate into the lock position.

Ace Hardware has 2 orings that match the original orings. The lower one (the smallest of the 2) is 5/16" ID x 1/2" OD and 3/32 body diameter. ACE #59597. The upper o-ring is 3/4" ID x 7/8" OD and 1/16" body diameter. ACE #56012. They cost 0.79 cents and 0.69 cents respectively.

Air Relief Valve close up Stem

To remove the O rings squeeze with 2 fingers (on opposite sides) so that it makes like an oval and you can then roll the oring out of the groove. Try not to use a sharp object to dig it out of the groove as that can damage the oring. Once out, clean the groove and then also clean the oring with a paper towel. Do not stretch the oring. Then take some Pool Lube and rub on the oring. Since these are small o-rings you can just work it around with your finger in palm of your hand.

The big O-ring should always be lubed if you remove the top. Since this is a large o-ring seal, remove it with 2 hands and try not to stretch it. Put lube on o-ring and work it around the entire circumference with your fingers. You may have to add several daps of Pool Lube as you work it around. Just let the o-ring hang as you work it around, do not stretch or pull on it. Also, clean the bottom and top sections where the o-ring will seal - you want to wipe those down with a rag to remove debris. Then place the o-ring back in place on the bottom half of the filter and ensure it is not twisted and sits properly on the circumference of the filter housing.

Replacement DE Manifold

CMP has replacement manifolds for Pentair, Hayward, and Jandy DE filters.

Swimables has a new manifold for Pentair DE filters that has done away with the Air Bleeder assembly that has always been a part of the Pentair Manifold. That assembly is the six inch long plastic tube with a little mesh screen "hat" on top.[5] To get rid of the air bleed tube, they've come up with a sort of "micro perforated" area that's actually built into the plastic on the top of the new manifold design. Apparently it allows the air to bleed out as needed, but likewise DE can't penetrate it "backwards" and cause DE leaks into the pool.

Valpak has similar replacement DE filter manifolds.

Tips for your DE Filter

How to determine the amount of DE required

  • For hayward grid filters simply divide the filter's area in sq feet by 8 to get the # of lbs DE to add when filter is fully clean. For the bump filters it's not as linear (but is still very easy). All the models start "EC-'XY' (ie EC-50 - X=5, Y=0), use X as the # of lbs DE to add to a fully clean unit.[6]
  • Other manufacturers have the owners add an extra 1/2 lb for clean start up
  • Pentair recommendation for an FNS60 60 sq ft filter of 6 lbs for a full charge (interesting that it is less than the same sized Hayward at 7.5 lbs) ... and then after backwash add only ~4.8 lbs.[7]
  • Rule of thumb - 1 lb - 1.5 lb of DE for every 10 square feet of filter area for a clean filter and 80% of that after a backwash.

Adding DE to a Filter if Skimmer is Inoperative

  • Open filter[8]
  • try to drain water below the tank half (or use a scoop to remove some)
  • pour DE into tank (it will settle into any water in the tank
  • close filter
  • turn on pump

No RINSE position on on a Hayward D.E.7220 MPV

If you don't have RINSE then you skip the rise step. Some DE might get into the pool but there really isn't anything you can do about that.[9]

Concentration of TSP (dishwasher detergent)

Soak grids in automatic dishwasher powder such as Cascade or Electrosol. Use one cup per every 5 gallons of water and soak for at least one hour to overnight. Use a soft brush to carefully scrub the grids if anything is sticking to them and then hose them off.[10]

Acid Washes

  • Use 40 gallon trash barrels to do the acid washes. Some of the larger grid assemblies need to be turned over for another 3 hours to completely clean the grids (ie. they are so big they stick up out of the soak). [11]
  • Another choice, for those with grid assemblies is to take the grids out of the assembly and use a plastic storage bin (rectangular), this is probably less wasteful of water and acid.
  • As long as the acid is dilute and you don't leave them in too long, the short exposure to the acid mixture won't wreck the metal parts. Of course, any acid exposure will start to 'eat' metal, but the short dip in the recommended dilution shouldn't cause undue wear on the metal parts.
  • If you have grids, not fingers, so you can disassemble the grid unit and only soak the grids if you'd like - folks with finger/ bump filters can soak the fingers to ~1/2" below the metal parts to protect them.
  • An acid wash is not going to cause any problems as long as you do a TSP/detergent wash first. That said, an acid wash is only required if there is calcium scaling on the grids, which is usually obvious. Calcium scale will be a white chalky and somewhat brittle buildup on the fabric.[12]

Stiffening of the fabric - liming up

Excerpt from the Pentair Owner's Manual:[13]

  • A stiffening of the fabric caused by mineral deposits is usually referred to as "liming up". It usually is due to deposits of either magnesium or calcium or both. Removal of these deposits may be accomplished by soaking the filter elements in six (6) parts water to one (1) part hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid).
  • Wear rubber gloves and eye protection when mixing the solution, and handling or rinsing the filter elements.
  • Soak for at least four (4) hours in a plastic tub or pail.
  • Rinse filter elements thoroughly in tap water.

Running DE Filter Without DE

If it was run without enough DE for any time, then particles could be clogging up the grids and just backwashing will not clean them out. You will need to take the assembly apart and spray each one down. Then if there is any doubt about the history, you could also do the TSP soak and acid soak and know you are starting fresh.[14]

Damp DE will get moldy

Transfer the DE from the ubiquitous cardboard box to a plastic can of some sort (kitty litter cans work fine). Moldy DE just doesn't seem to perform well at all.[15]

Inspect New Filter Grids Before Installation

Here is what one member found when he bought new Pentair filter grids[16]...

The best price I could find on a new manifold was to buy a Pentair kit that included the new manifold plus 8 new OEM Pentair filter elements. I didn't need the elements at that point, but the price was great and I was glad to have spares. The new replacement elements I'd originally installed before finding the manifold crack had been third party product. They looked fine but not as stout as the original Pentair elements had been. Since the OEM elements had been flawless for 7+ years, I installed them at the next filter cleaning. A couple of days later, I can see signs of another DE leak. Ugh. It can't be the new OEM elements, can it? (Hint: yes it can.) But first I replaced the stand pipe o-ring. No change. My multiport valve needed cleaning anyway so I did that next. Discovered the multiport gasket was worn so I replaced that too. The multiport operated easily again (yay), but the slow DE leak persisted (ugh). It was what I thought it was. Oh goody.

So I took the filter apart (again) (what a fun job) (I should do this more often just for exercise) and inspected all 8 of the new OEM Pentair filter elements like I was sick of the leaks, and frustrated and taking it all personally. (I was.) Turns out the new elements weren't perfect after all. One of them had a seam sewing error. Not a big one, so I'd missed it on the too casual inspection I gave them all when I first installed them. But it was a big enough gap to cause the leak -- about a half inch of that bottom seam wasn't fully sealed. DE is tiny, we all know, that it doesn't take much of a gap to bleed through. I inspected all 8 the same way. Only one had the problem.

A tip: My leaking seam was at the bottom of the filter element. In other words, the end opposite where the little connection tube pops out, the thing you slide up into the manifold after a full cleaning. If you have a new element "seam leak" that's probably a good place to start to start looking. It looks like those element covers are fabricated with the top seam (where the connection tube pops out) and the two long side seams already stitched together. The finished-on-three sides fabric covers then get pulled over the frame, with only that last "bottom" seam left to sew closed. With the wobbly plastic frame inside, that final seam is a bigger challenge. On these Pentair elements, that bottom seam had a different colored seam thread than the other three sides did (black on the bottom versus white everywhere else), another clue that it's a little different. And on my 8 new elements, the wonkiest looking seam stitching on all of them was on the bottom side. Only one had aa gap though. I replaced that grid with one of my third-party spares, and boom, problem solved. Last tips you will really have to "separate the fabric flaps" to give the top and bottom seams a good look and make sure they're sewn tight and fully closed. If that doesn't make sense now, don't worry, it will once you get in there. And do the inspection on a bright sunny day if possible, good light makes the necessary close inspection easier.


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