Questions on 18' above ground pool and chemical options

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
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Minnesota
I currently have a 18' AGP and it has a Perma Salt system,is this good or bad. Is there a better alternative or system to use. The chemicals in which I must purchase are rather expensive. What are my options. thanks
 

mknauss

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Perma Salt is a metal ionizer. This forum does not recommend the use of those devices as they put metal in your pool water that will eventually stain. You also still need to use chlorine, and there is no reason to be afraid of chlorine.
I suggest you read How to Chlorinate your Pool.

I also suggest you read ABC's of Pool Water Chemistry and consider reviewing the entire Pool School eBook.

After reviewing those articles, come back and ask us any questions about properly maintaining your pool water chemistry.
 
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Richard320

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Go with a saltwater chlorine generator. That's pretty much what a permasalt system is, with a few bells and whistles.

To save myself a ton of typing, I'll just suggest you enter Permasalt in the search box up above and check out a few older threads.
 
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David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
Perma Salt is a metal ionizer. This forum does not recommend the use of those devices as they put metal in your pool water that will eventually stain. You also still need to use chlorine, and there is no reason to be afraid of chlorine.
I suggest you read How to Chlorinate your Pool.

I also suggest you read ABC's of Pool Water Chemistry and consider reviewing the entire Pool School eBook.

After reviewing those articles, come back and ask us any questions about properly maintaining your pool water chemistry.
I have prev read the noted items. For starters I only have testing strips to test Copper, Ph,and Total Aka.My current readings are PH 6.8and Total AKA 40. I really don't know what I should do for a system of some type or do I just use pool chlorine.
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
Go with a saltwater chlorine generator. That's pretty much what a permasalt system is, with a few bells and whistles.

To save myself a ton of typing, I'll just suggest you enter Permasalt in the search box up above and check out a few older threads.
So asaltwater chlorine generator and permasalt system are generally the same?
 

mknauss

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For starters I only have testing strips
I suggest you order a test kit.
Order a TF-100
The only other real option for a test kit is a Taylor K-2006-C. Be careful comparing prices because the K-2006 comes in sizes, designated by a letter. The basic K-2006 has .75oz bottles. You need to get the K-2006-C to get the larger bottles that you want.
I also have the Speedstir. It makes testing much easier.

And no, a SWCG is not the same as the PermaSalt. Replace it with a SWCG. What volume and type of pool do you have? Can you fill out your signature?
 

setsailsoon

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David,

I see you've been on here a few years so I'll say a belated Welcome to TFP! You'll have experts here every step of the way if you decide to get rid of the Perm Salt system and switch to TFP methods. You've already got two of our experts here ready to help and I can assure you they'll get you transitioned asap. Just ask a LOT of questions, there are no mysteries here. Get your test kit, and ask all your questions so you'll be ready to hit the ground running... oh one more thing. Put your signature information in. Click on your screen name above and then click "signature". Type in the details on your pool, equipment, model numbers and anything unique about your installation. Press save and that's it! All the info will appear at the bottom of every page you post so you'll get expert answers quicker. One thing to remember is that TFP sells nothing. It's just a collection of pool owners and enthusiasts that want to help. TFP is the most reliable, scientifically sound, simplest way to care for your pool using generic cheap chemicals you can find. Plus you'll know exactly what you put in your pool. No mystery chemicals!

I hope you do decide to convert to TFP and I hope this is helpful!

Chris
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
David,

I see you've been on here a few years so I'll say a belated Welcome to TFP! You'll have experts here every step of the way if you decide to get rid of the Perm Salt system and switch to TFP methods. You've already got two of our experts here ready to help and I can assure you they'll get you transitioned asap. Just ask a LOT of questions, there are no mysteries here. Get your test kit, and ask all your questions so you'll be ready to hit the ground running... oh one more thing. Put your signature information in. Click on your screen name above and then click "signature". Type in the details on your pool, equipment, model numbers and anything unique about your installation. Press save and that's it! All the info will appear at the bottom of every page you post so you'll get expert answers quicker. One thing to remember is that TFP sells nothing. It's just a collection of pool owners and enthusiasts that want to help. TFP is the most reliable, scientifically sound, simplest way to care for your pool using generic cheap chemicals you can find. Plus you'll know exactly what you put in your pool. No mystery chemicals!

I hope you do decide to convert to TFP and I hope this is helpful!

Chris
Thank You...I have updated my signature
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
I suggest you order a test kit.
Order a TF-100
The only other real option for a test kit is a Taylor K-2006-C. Be careful comparing prices because the K-2006 comes in sizes, designated by a letter. The basic K-2006 has .75oz bottles. You need to get the K-2006-C to get the larger bottles that you want.
I also have the Speedstir. It makes testing much easier.

And no, a SWCG is not the same as the PermaSalt. Replace it with a SWCG. What volume and type of pool do you have? Can you fill out your signature?
OK I have updated my signature with the information I could gather, does this help? So you mentioned 2 kits above, is one preferred over the other? And what is the best place to purchase them. Also I don't know which SWCG use and where to purchase them as well. Sorry I am just trying to truly understand real pool maintenance, and chemicals. The entire system was from Family Leasure. I would also like to note that my dogs swim in the pool so I need to insure any system used is safe for them
 
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mknauss

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I recommend the TF100. Click the link in my post above.
From your pool dimensions I suspect your pool is ~7600 gallons.

Circupool makes SWCG's. An SJ20 would be the right size for your pool. Also, some ABG pool systems have SWCG's designed to integrate into their pump/filter combos.
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
I recommend the TF100. Click the link in my post above.
From your pool dimensions I suspect your pool is ~7600 gallons.

Circupool makes SWCG's. An SJ20 would be the right size for your pool. Also, some ABG pool systems have SWCG's designed to integrate into their pump/filter combos.
I dont know if I can afford a Circupool SJ20 right away.
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
OK -- so use liquid chlorine. It works the same. You just need to add what the pool needs every day.
So the tester you recommend will tell me how much chlorine to use, and that's all I need. I currently have Online Pool Shock liquid clorine is this the right stuff ? Also can my dogs still swim in the pool with chlorine?
 
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Richard320

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First step: order a test kit. Get online and search for Taylor K-2006C (The C is crucial) or go to TFTestkits.net and order a TF100.
Step two: buy some bleach aka pool chlorine. This time of year it's starting to appear in the big box stores. Generally, stuff sold as liquid pool chlorine is cheaper than grocery store bleach ounce per ounce and percentage by percentage, and there's little risk of getting unwanted additives. Add 3 ppm FC every day until your test kit arrives. Poolmath will tell how much that is, once you know how strong the bleach is. It could be 6, 8, 10, 12.5%. If that's too advanced right now, just post. Someone will help.
Step three: Head over to pool school anmd start reading. Start with ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry and PoolMath and Recommended Pool Chemicals. And then read anything else that looks interesting.
Step four: when your kit arrives, test the water and post the results and you will receive guidance.

Once you have a handle on the pool chemistry and it becomes as mindless and routine as brushing your teeth ( a month or so) then you might want to switch to a SWG. Over the life of the SWG, it works out similar in price to jug dumping, but there is a big convenience factor you might find appealing.
 

David Link

Active member
Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
First step: order a test kit. Get online and search for Taylor K-2006C (The C is crucial) or go to TFTestkits.net and order a TF100.
Step two: buy some bleach aka pool chlorine. This time of year it's starting to appear in the big box stores. Generally, stuff sold as liquid pool chlorine is cheaper than grocery store bleach ounce per ounce and percentage by percentage, and there's little risk of getting unwanted additives. Add 3 ppm FC every day until your test kit arrives. Poolmath will tell how much that is, once you know how strong the bleach is. It could be 6, 8, 10, 12.5%. If that's too advanced right now, just post. Someone will help.
Step three: Head over to pool school anmd start reading. Start with ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry and PoolMath and Recommended Pool Chemicals. And then read anything else that looks interesting.
Step four: when your kit arrives, test the water and post the results and you will receive guidance.

Once you have a handle on the pool chemistry and it becomes as mindless and routine as brushing your teeth ( a month or so) then you might want to switch to a SWG. Over the life of the SWG, it works out similar in price to jug dumping, but there is a big convenience factor you might find appealing.
So no one has answered my question about chlorine in my pool and is it safe for my dogs to swim in the pool
 

David Link

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Sep 25, 2018
26
Minnesota
Yes, it is safe. In fact, the active chlorine in the pool is probably less than what is allowed in drinking water. CYA might not be the best, but I think Permasalt adds that, too.
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So per you recommendation about ordering kit and adding pool chlorine 3ppm everyday until the kit arrives. You stated the Pool math will tell how much that is, but what do I do when I launch it to figure the correct amount? Do I click FC and enter 7600 gallons,leave CYA at 0, what do I put for current and target FC. I have bleach selected, 12.5%, 128OZ
 

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setsailsoon

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Oct 25, 2015
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David,

A word of encouragement, I used liquid chlorine method for 4 years. Then finally dished out the $ to add SWG. Easy peasy to do later after you save up. Liquid chlorine, MA, and a little CYA are all I added for 4 years. Sparkling pool 100% of the time. Under $10 per month in chemicals.

Chris