Prep for reviving out of service pool: Currently in pad rebuild phase

dianedebuda

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Sounds like you have it covered. Nond anything you can at this point without going nuts ripping up a decent deck. Lots of older pools out there with no bonding, not ideal but they exist. Most important thing is proper GFCI on everything touching water. Lights are the top of that list
Only the pump has a GFCI breaker but everything else in the pad except the blower has a GFCI outlet ahead of it.

Thanks for the hand holding. (y)
 

jimmythegreek

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Just check to be sure they all work. I'm not a fan of pool items behind a gfci outlet honestly. They can go bad and not trip being outside. Best way is a little sub panel and gfci breakers in it. I honestly test every reset on any repair job I do first thing and i test my own at least once a month.
 

dianedebuda

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Just check to be sure they all work. I'm not a fan of pool items behind a gfci outlet honestly. They can go bad and not trip being outside. Best way is a little sub panel and gfci breakers in it. I honestly test every reset on any repair job I do first thing and i test my own at least once a month.
New to GFCI, so regular testing sounds like a plan. (y)
 

dianedebuda

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For the equipment pad, I'll be tying the IntelliCenter, pump, and swg together with #8 solid copper. The blower will NOT be included in the bonding. I do not see a bonding lug on the PX300 transformer, so I'm assuming it is also not to be included in the bonding. The wire will just run between the equipment and not make a loop. All of this sound right?

Not to beat a dead horse, but had a thought as I'm about to order the Water Bonder. The basic purpose of bonding is to equalize the potential between the pool water and the deck so the swimmer does not get shocked entering/leaving the pool from stray voltages. Since I do not have a bonding grid for the deck, I'm having trouble seeing how bonding the water to the equipment in the pad provides any protection to a swimmer. @jimmythegreek, what am I missing here?

Edit: I guess what I'm really thinking is that the bonded metal on the pad may transfer stray voltages that the fiberglass shell would not. So by bonding the water to the pad equipment without a bonding deck grid, I might actually be increasing the shock possibility? :oops:
 
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jimmythegreek

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Its complicated when your doing pieces and not the whole thing. The consensus is to bond anything you can after the fact. The big thing is the handrails that's the most likelyhood of feeling static. I'd you dont have any even better. The rebar in the deck is what it is. I've heard of shock touching the handrails but ive only read on deck shock in a post on here that is still ongoing amd unresolved. You are just trying to equalize stray voltage we aren't talking about electrocution stuff that's what gfci is for and very important
 

dianedebuda

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Its complicated when your doing pieces and not the whole thing. The consensus is to bond anything you can after the fact.
Ok, I'll go ahead & get the Water Bonder then.

I don't have a handrail at this point. But if I add one, it'll be non-metallic. Edit: But I do have a SS ladder, so that would be the same class as a handrail... May have to think about replacement there.

Is my pad bonding plan as stated in my previous post correct?

Once again, many thanks. (y) (y) (y)
 
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Sounds good. Basically anything that needs bonding will have a bond lug. Mot always on the equipment but will be in parts bag. If it can be bonded go ahead amd do it
 

dianedebuda

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Ready to lower pool water level so I can replace ball valves in pad
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Pump setup to vac to waste
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Ended up taking a couple of days due to broken vac head pieces, leaky old hose (should have just used the new one I'd already purchased :hammer:), pain levels and super hot weather (9 of last 10 days at or above 100°). Hubby actually did most of the vac work to spare my hurtin' knees & hips (y) - after effects of having to do some irrigation repairs the last couple of days. (n)

Still have inhabitants. There are now 2 that I know of:
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And a referee
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Stopped yesterday because of heat & pain, but when I checked this AM, found the water level was low enough
Water level at pool pad floor shallow end jets.jpg
Water level at pool pad floor deep end.jpg
Ball valves are GONE now! Well, there is a handleless one still there, but it'll be cut off; the others were threaded connections that had to be unscrewed. So many things have been on hold awaiting this event. :kim:Pool pad ball valves removed.jpg
Tried to pull pool light cord ... and it moves. :kim:But looks like the niche (9-1/2" diam) doesn't fit new light (9" diam) as expected, so going to have to get an adapter or wedges or something to make it work.

Feel like I'll actually be able to start doing things "for real" now instead of mock-ups. Too bad we're in a super hot spell (105° today and tomorrow's forecast is 106°) which will limit how much time I can work outside. Things are lookin' up. (y)
 
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Awwe.. all those poor displaced critters.. They will need to find a new biome!

Looking good!.. So this reminds me of my pad redoo... In concert with getting all new equipment I was going to move the pad about 30ft away from the old pad's location to an area that was more obscured. I planned to run new pipes from the old pad location to the new pad... I tried to plan for every contingency. I cut out all the old PVC, broke up the old pad, dug out the pipes, so I was left with a big hole where the old pad was... I trenched in the new pipe run to connect to the old pipes to the new pad.. Now I was ready to do the deed. I'm standing in my hole, hack saw in hand, ready to cut the old pipes off. After I was half way through the first pipe I realized I forgot to heed the lessons of Aristotle .. water seeks its own level! As the pool drained into my ditch, I scrambled around throwing my tools out of the hole. .. and screaming at my own duffusness... I was able to duct tape my pipe cut to stop the deluge. I unboxed new pump and jury-rigged it to drain my pool to below the pipes in my ditch before I could continue. whew!
 
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I would think about keeping the drain going. The less green water you have the faster it will get clear. Of course think about your water table. If it is very high then don't drain any more but if you know it is lower then drain away!

Kim:kim:
 

dianedebuda

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I would think about keeping the drain going. The less green water you have the faster it will get clear.
Think this is about as low as we're going to go - will put less concentrated demand on well. Will probably vac to waste some during slam.

Funny thing with pump: started off using the old hose but decided to bite the bullet and put on the new one the next day. Well, shortly after the switch, pump kept turning off for some unknown reason. After several episodes, found the pump was NOT off, just finished prime and was so quiet that we thought it was off. :LOL:

Saw that Austin reported 108° yesterday - no wonder I was hot. 🥵 Could only handle being out there until 10:30 today. :(
 

dianedebuda

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Finished tweaking mock-up in pad. Tomorrow tear it all out so I can put in the irrigation valves & relocate the water line that were delayed pending final placement of the equipment. Then will be ready to screw & glue FOR REAL. 🥳
Pad test 2 - 01 front.jpg
After the last small mods to the SWG area & filter waste line.
Pad test 2 - 13 swg-return-jets version 2.jpg