Owner Builder in Sacramento - Just starting - looking for planning advice

Tiburon

Silver Supporter
Dec 19, 2019
15
Sacramento, CA
HI all. This forum is amazing! Reading all of your comments and advice has really motivated me to actually beginning this dream project. Here is what I am thinking, but I would love advice and changes (particularly where to make efficient cost savings as I am already over budget). Thanks.

Here is a list of equipment that looked promising to me:
Hayward Max-Flo VS Variable Speed Pump - SP2303VSP
Hayward Swimclear Cartridge Filter 225 Sq Ft. - C2030
Raypak Heat Pump R8450TI-E-HC
CircuPool RJ-45 PLUS Salt Chlorine Generator
2x Colored LED lights (??? maybe white is better?)
Robot cleaner
Solar Cover
Pool automation: to be honest I am very confused about this and if it is needed and the value it has vs costs. I am also not sure which product would work with my pool and equipment.
2nd phase I would do the actual construction for a concrete grotto / waterfall / slide. Other than that, no other water features.

Here are a few details about the pool:
511 sq ft
16000 gallons
1' cantilever coping
white plaster with abalone shell
shelf at 12' deep
surrounded mostly by artificial turf instead of concrete (we already have it in most of the yard and love it!).

I also wondered about the slope of the pool. I would like to have most of the pool be shallow and playable for our children (age 10 and 5) and their friends at 3'6" deep (good depth?) and groups of teens (3'6" vs 4'?). And also want a large enough deep end for jumping. So my design has a 4 foot decent over 10 feet.

Thanks for all the help.
 

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ajw22

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jul 21, 2013
12,891
Northern NJ
Welcome to TFP.

Abalone shells in plaster can cause staining. Read...


Your pump and SWG should be from the same manufacturer as your automation. If you are set on the Hayward pump then look at the Hayward Aquaplus that combines Prologic automation with an Aquarite SWG cell. Although if I had a choice I would get a Pentair IntelliCenter with an Intelliflo 011028 VS pump and IntelliChlor IC40 SWG.

 

kimkats

Mod Squad
LifeTime Supporter
Jul 10, 2012
43,250
Tallahassee, FL
LOVE the design! Looks like lots of playroom and swim room! Hold a tape measure to see where 4' and 3'5" will hit you and your wife and go from there for the depth.

You can add glass beads to get some bling in your plaster instead of the shells I used to love to suggest until I saw what problems they could cause :(

Kim:kim:
 

Tiburon

Silver Supporter
Dec 19, 2019
15
Sacramento, CA
Welcome to TFP.

Abalone shells in plaster can cause staining. Read...


Your pump and SWG should be from the same manufacturer as your automation. If you are set on the Hayward pump then look at the Hayward Aquaplus that combines Prologic automation with an Aquarite SWG cell. Although if I had a choice I would get a Pentair IntelliCenter with an Intelliflo 011028 VS pump and IntelliChlor IC40 SWG.

Thanks. I am not attached to any pump. I will look into the Pentair intellicenter. Appreciate the heads up on the abalone shells.

I will look into the glass beads as an option.
 

YippeeSkippy

Mod Squad
LifeTime Supporter
Jan 17, 2012
12,432
Evans, Georgia
Automation is nice, but you can live perfectly fine without it (flipping switches manually) if you want to trim that out of the budget.

Basically automation is a device or phone app that lets you turn lights on/off, pump on/off, water features. etc.

Maddie :flower:
 

Tiburon

Silver Supporter
Dec 19, 2019
15
Sacramento, CA
Here is my price deltas for three different control set-ups:

511 sq ft pool, SWG, no spa, heat pump, water slide, waterfall, LED lights

1. No Automation
Hayward Max-Flo VS Variable Speed Pump - 220v
890​
CircuPool RJ-45 PLUS Salt Chlorine Generator
939​
Hayward Swimclear Cartridge Filter 225 Sq Ft
674​
TOTAL COST: $2503

2. Waterway System
Waterway Oasis Control System w/WIFI & 2 Actuators 770-1006-PSW2
699​
Waterway Econo Flo Variable Speed Pump 230v 2.7HP ECONO-VSA
950​
Pureline - Pool Salt System Up To 60,000 Gallons Heavy Duty - PL7704
850​
Pentair Clean & Clear Plus, 240 Sq. Ft. Cartridge Filter
609​
TOTAL COST: $3108

3. Pentair System
Pentair IntelliCenter 5PIC40 Kit - Pool only with Load Center and IC40
estimate 2363​
Pentair IntelliFlo VS Variable Speed Pool Pump - 011018
1040​
IC40included
Pentair Clean & Clear Plus, 240 Sq. Ft. Cartridge Filter
609​
(2) Pentair Intellivalve Valve Actuator
235​
TOTAL COST: $4247

I would also get a $250 SMUD (local utility) rebate on any of the pumps.

I do not need/want an app on my phone (the app reviews say that they all pretty much suck as these are pool equipment manufacturers not programmers). However, I would like to be able to turn on the water slide and waterfall and have the pump put out a specified amount of needed water rather than having to adjust each item whenever I wanted to use the water features. I would also like to easily turn on the pool lights (does it cost significantly more to have a line run to my porch light switches - the pool is about 80 ft away).

At this point I am debating if the extra cost is worth what appears to be clunky automation from all manufacturers. But I also don't want to mess with 4 or 5 valves turned in just the right order to be able to use the waterfall and water slide.

The $600 jump to the waterway system seems worth the risk (assuming the pump isn't total Crud), but the $1744 jump to the Pentair seems steep.

What would you do? What am I missing?
 

ajw22

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jul 21, 2013
12,891
Northern NJ
If all you want to control is the VS pump speed and scheduling and some water feature valves then the Waterway seems appropriate for you.