New Pool Build - NE Austin Suburb

dirtyJoeDirt

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Apr 29, 2020
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Austin, TX
After interviewing 4 builders, we've decided on one and are ready to move forward pending some tweaks to the dimensions of the design.
Specs
  • Dimensions: 20’x35’ (14’x35’ swim area)
  • Depth: 6 - 3.5 (left to right)
  • Tanning Ledge: 6’x8.5’
  • Raised beam 18’x12” - stone fascia w/cascade
  • Tile: 6”
  • Coping: Lueders Stone
  • Spa: 7’x5’ (Raised 18” w/stone fascia)
  • Finish: Quartzscapes Tahoe Blue
Equipment
  • Pump: 2HP Full Rated Jandy Stealth
  • Filter: 60 Jandy DE w/full-flo backwash valve
  • Heater: Jandy 400K BTU Natural Gas
  • Controls: Aqualink RS-8 w/phone App
  • Cleaner: Polaris 280 wit 3/4HP Booster Pump
  • Lights: 4 Color LED
  • Skimmers: 2 x2”
  • Sanitizer: CMP Auto Chlorinator
  • Autofill: Poolmiser
Random Comments/Thoughts
  • For whatever reason, I appreciated the hand drawn and inked design vs the computer generated fanciness we saw with other PBs.
  • We’re changing overall dimensions to 21’x30’ (15’x30’ swim area) so I can take some of my yard back!
  • Not sure how weird it would be to enter on the left side of the steps into the deep end.
  • We’ll also be pulling the entire thing in closer toward the house ~5’ or so.
  • As far as equipment, we’re in Texas, so naturally PB strongly advised against SWCG. The Lueders stone coping is a limestone, so if we decided to switch to SWCG, I’d imagine we would need to choose a new coping material.
  • He also advised against a variable speed pump as he said it takes a full 2HP to get the Spa spillover effect working properly so we would rarely drop the speed below the full 2HP speed.
  • I do have the option to switch to Pentair equipment, so that’s something I’ll need to further research. Thoughts on Jandy v Pentair are appreciated.
  • Need to decide on decking - Koolcote knockdown texture vs stamp. The stamp would add ~$2K and we do prefer the look over knockdown texturing
We’re open to suggestions, so please feel free to fire away with any comments negative or otherwise.
 

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tim5055

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Welcome to TFP-

I think you will find everyone here will tell you to ditch the CMP Auto Chlorinator and go SWCG. The tabs it uses are almost half stabilizer and your pool will be overstabilized before the summer is over.


Did the pool builder mention that teh spa spillover will keep your pH rising quickly because of the aeration it causes? You will probably need to make sure there is some way to bypass the spillover effect for most of the day or you will be using lots of acid. With waterfalls on my pool I only ran it when I was there to enjoy the effect.

 

dirtyJoeDirt

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Apr 29, 2020
4
Austin, TX
bump for me! redesign is complete, here's the official build proposal. anything stand out to anyone before we sign the contract and get going?

POOL PROPOSAL
POOL AND SPA SPECIFICATIONS

All work will be done in accordance with the American Pool and Spa Professionals specifications and applicable codes:

  • Permits and calls for necessary inspections.
  • Layout in accordance with approved plans
  • Excavation, all rock included, including material haul off
  • Forming for interior walls of pool as necessary
  • Schedule 40 PVC plumbing throughout
  • 6.5 sack shotcrete mix, approximately 4,000 PSI 28 day strength
EXCAVATION
  • All excavation of pool and associated grading, including rock excavation
  • Includes removal and replacement of fence when necessary
  • Includes all forming of pool
  • Includes haul off of all excavation spoils if necessary
  • Includes all grading at spa and tanning ledge deck area
POOL
  • Size: 21' x 30'
    • Area: 548 square feet
    • Perimeter: 107'
    • Depth: 3' to 6'
    • Tanning ledge at 9' x 6' with 2 bubbler fountains
    • Raised wall across back of pool at 18' by 12" high with 18" cascade
    • Volleyball sleeves and set including the ball
TILE AND COPING
  • 2 1/4" sawn leuderstone coping at 12" wide or Oklahoma stone.
  • 6" perimeter tile with $8.00 per square foot allowance
  • The spa will include matching tile and coping
  • Exterior of raised spa veneered with stone
EQUIPMENT
  • Pump: Jandy 2.75 HP Variable speed for pool and spa operation
  • Filter: Jandy 60 square foot DE filter
  • Cleaner: Polaris 280 with 3/4 HP booster pump
  • Jandy 400,000 BTU Heater with gas connection
  • Controls: Aqualink RS-8 computer controls with phone app
  • Lights: 4 Jandy color LED microbrites
  • Skimmers: Two Waterway 2"
  • Valves: All Jandy neverlube style valves. All suction lines plumbed separately
  • Sanitizers: CMP automatic chlorinator
  • Auto fill: Poolmiser plumbed through RPZ back flow preventer
  • Six Waterway spa jets
  • One 18" cascade
DECK
  • 510 square feet of broom finish concrete.
  • Slab is poured 4" thick atop compacted limestone fines and 3/8" rebar on 14" centers
  • All decks are scored for control joints
  • All decks have a perimeter turn down beam for extra strength and to prohibit cracking
  • Deck to be covered with Koolcote standard texture. Color to be selected
  • See option page for alternative deck toppings
STEEL
  • Steel is #4 rebar tied on 10" centers
  • 4 bar bond beam tied around entire pool
  • All steel blocked up
PLUMBING
  • All schedule 40 PVC pipe throughout
  • All suction lines will be separately plumbed and valved
  • All main drains will be split suction anti vortex with the governments VGB rating
  • All plumbing lines and system will be pressure tested until deck has been poured
  • Pump and filter plumbed with unions for ease of repair
GUNITE
  • All pool walls shot with shotcrete
  • All walls are a minimum of 6" to 8" thick
  • All floors are a minimum of 9" thick
  • All coves are between 15" and 18" thick
  • Pool beams are a minimum of 12" thick
ELECTRICAL
  • Pool will be bonded per National Electric Code
  • Power run to equipment included
  • All equipment will be wired per manufacturer's specifications
  • Equipment includes freeze guard
CLEANUP
  • All construction debris will be removed and area around pool will be graded with loam
  • New planters will be backfilled and leveled
PLASTER
  • Two coats of hand troweled Quartzscape will be applied to waterproof pool
    • Up to level two Quartzscape included
WARRANTY
  • Lifetime warranty on gunite structure of pool
  • All pool equipment is warranted by the manufacturer for three years
  • All masonry and tile is warranted for 1 year from completion of pool
Options
  • Add for Koolcote stone pattern overlay: $5,336.00
  • Add for Versailles pattern Travertine tile deck: $7,533.00
 

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tim5055

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The only thing that jumps out at me is the tab chlorinator.

I'd also like to see the pressure side "separately plumbed and valved" so that you could turn off different returns if necessary. Especially teh 18" cascade and the bubblers.
 
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dirtyJoeDirt

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Apr 29, 2020
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Austin, TX
based on the conversation i had with pb today, controlling all water features will be addressed on the automation side with individual actuators.

we’re now at the mercy of city permitting and hoa approval. gonna be a long summer.
 
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sham

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McKinney, TX
If it's going to be used for volleyball I would recommend you make it a "sport" pool 3.5-6-3.5 so people can at least stand at both ends. And 3 ft is too shallow for swimming laps (scraped knuckles).
Agree, and if you really want volleyball I'd suggest 5 or 5.5 ft in the middle. Our is 3.5 - 5.5 - 4.0 and it is hard when you are in the middle of the pool up near net. Even with volleyball not a factor, I know three people who regret their 6 foot deep end.
 
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dirtyJoeDirt

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Apr 29, 2020
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Austin, TX
If it's going to be used for volleyball I would recommend you make it a "sport" pool 3.5-6-3.5 so people can at least stand at both ends. And 3 ft is too shallow for swimming laps (scraped knuckles).
yea it's actually 3.5" to 6". typo on my part.

for whatever reason my wife insisted on the volleyball sleeves and set. she also wants to put sleeves down for a bball hoop, but i'd prefer one w/a moveable base. still trying to figure out why she's against having moveable gear, but here we are haha.

pb thinks 3 weeks for permits followed by a 6-7wk build time. fingers crossed that we can be swimming end of august.