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jonnyd91

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So that's 900.00 . I guess that would have to be a judgment call based on how much extra they would charge for the compaction in lifts. If you can find it, You could also use a sandy fill as Dave mentioned then use the crushed concrete or #57 for the final 6". Some gravel pits do carry sandy fill.

The one issue I would have with your proposal would be you are leaving the loose layer that the builder dozed out. I would not think it would be worth the effort to remove the sod then leave that extra 12-18". Getting down to the undisturbed loam would be the bare minimum in my opinion. Then once your that deep is it really worth leaving that other 12-18"... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So it doesnt matter that the builders dirt has been compacting for 6 years?
 

Rich D

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So it doesnt matter that the builders dirt has been compacting for 6 years?
Hard to say... I would think if you were to poke at the side wall there would be a significant difference in stability between the 2 layers. The builders layer will fall and crumble much easier.
 
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jimmythegreek

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Any recyclers near you? I can get RCA for 6 bucks a ton. Cant be that much. This 26 a ton price are you calling a landscape supply? If so they triple the price. You need a quarry. If your not gonna remove more than a few inches i would at the least use base fabric, add gravel, amd use a high strength mix with fibermesh not the usual sidewalk mix Crud

I just looked you have clayton block near you Jackson quarry. Theres also trap rock in Pennington nit sure how far they is. Getting more than one load ask for bulk pricing
 

jonnyd91

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Any recyclers near you? I can get RCA for 6 bucks a ton. Cant be that much. This 26 a ton price are you calling a landscape supply? If so they triple the price. You need a quarry. If your not gonna remove more than a few inches i would at the least use base fabric, add gravel, amd use a high strength mix with fibermesh not the usual sidewalk mix Crud

I just looked you have clayton block near you Jackson quarry. Theres also trap rock in Pennington nit sure how far they is. Getting more than one load ask for bulk pricing
Clayton is more $$. Jackson Quarry, i see the address but they don't have a phone number.
The place im getting it from is the cheapest in a 30 mile radius. I called them today and they said that crushed concrete is 14.50/ton so that may help the situation.
Can you give me a link to the base fabric? I assume this is something stronger than landscape fabric?
 

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Mirafi 500x woven fabric and SRW ss6 are the two i use. Theres many others as well I get it local so that's why I use them

Is 14.50 price delivered? That's still high. Where does the PB get his gravel? I couldmt see ever spending more than 500 a load for any gravel especially base material
 

jonnyd91

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Mirafi 500x woven fabric and SRW ss6 are the two i use. Theres many others as well I get it local so that's why I use them

Is 14.50 price delivered? That's still high. Where does the PB get his gravel? I couldmt see ever spending more than 500 a load for any gravel especially base material
how much does that fabric cost? Do they sell it online? Can’t seem to find a place that lists prices.

I need like 900 sqft.

as for the crushed concrete, that price is delivered. I can ask where they get their gravel. I’m pretty sure they just find a local yard.

what is the farthest a quarry will delivery typically?
 

jimmythegreek

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They will deliver anywhere. The quarry has its stone price that's flat. They have trucking outfits that work the "scales" the delivery is dependent on GPS distance. Around here 10 miles max is about 110 bucks
 

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They will deliver anywhere. The quarry has its stone price that's flat. They have trucking outfits that work the "scales" the delivery is dependent on GPS distance. Around here 10 miles max is about 110 bucks

I once got a quote to truck 6 yards of oyster shell from Louisiana to New Jersey - a tad bit too expensive to make my driveway look "beachy" -
 

jonnyd91

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They will deliver anywhere. The quarry has its stone price that's flat. They have trucking outfits that work the "scales" the delivery is dependent on GPS distance. Around here 10 miles max is about 110 bucks
So i found someone local that has something called R-Blend(#2). It consists of Crushed concrete, asphalt, brick, some sandy dirt. They said they use it to put down under roads.

Would this work for under the decking? I assume stick to the #57 gravel for backfilling the pool for drainage?

I just dont know if the asphalt is ok or not. That stuff is $5 a ton.
 

jimmythegreek

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It all depends on if its rated. Even cheap road base mixes have DOT ratings for approval. By the sound of it I'd say it's just glorified fill material, I've never seen a base mix with asphalt millings in it, but different areas have different products amd names for them
 

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Looks good overall. My only gripe is I never install piping without the collar being poured. I never want to bury pipe in concrete 4 ft down. Plumber did a nice job overall, but I see a lot of pool guys run 3 ways into 3ways over and over, why not build a manifold and keep it compact and clean for ease of use. Soil looks good like it drains well if gone in a day that's a big plus. Hes got his water bond underground which is unusual around this area at least.
 

jonnyd91

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Looks good overall. My only gripe is I never install piping without the collar being poured. I never want to bury pipe in concrete 4 ft down. Plumber did a nice job overall, but I see a lot of pool guys run 3 ways into 3ways over and over, why not build a manifold and keep it compact and clean for ease of use. Soil looks good like it drains well if gone in a day that's a big plus. Hes got his water bond underground which is unusual around this area at least.
I couldn't agree more on the manifold part. Im bit of a plumbing dork, I love doing plumbing. Issue is there is a line between lending an idea and telling the guy how to do his job.
He tried to step down to 1 1/2" on the spa and I put a squash on that. His argument was the pump outlets were 1 1/2". I said the plumbing out of the spa is 2" and I don't want to step down the drains, at the spa, I want them stepped at the pump. The spa has (4) 2" drains, now all plumbed at 2". I kinda tried to have him do a manifold because they dug the equipment pad in the wrong spot, it was off by 3'. It was originally supposed to be on the other side of the trench. I wanted to build a wall with cinder blocks and fill in that trench at that part with gravel and put the equipment there and have all the piping come in on the side of the pad. We compromised on putting it on the other side of the trench in order to not have any delays. The rain hasn't help with that.
 
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jonnyd91

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So I am finally at Backfill. I will post some pics in a bit. So I have still been looking to better prices for gravel to no avail. there are just no quarries that deliver to my area that dont just the price up for the distance.
To make matters worse the place that I found the rock the cheapest increased their prices for 2021. So I will be paying 29.50/Ton.

So the plan is to scrape down and remove the sod layer and then lat down some geo fabric.

I picked this up Amazon.com: ArmorLay Commercial Grade Driveway Fabric, Stabilization, Underlayment (Black, 12.5' x 60')

I figure it should take around 75 tons of gravel to backfill and cover where the concrete will be.