Need help with a pool that is new to us (Purchased a home w/ a pool)

Summoner12

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Nov 16, 2015
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Riverside, CA
Hey guys,

I rented a house back in 2015-2017 that had a pool. My wife's sister was also renting a house with a pool and it became this joint hobby between my brother in-law and I to learn pool stuff. We both used this forum to expand out knowledge and to care for 'our' pools. Since 2017 neither of us have had pools and this forum wasn't a regular stop for us. But I am back! My wife and I are in escrow on a home and the pool is in need of some TLC. The housing market is red hot here in SoCal and we really have our hearts set on this neighborhood, and anything but a fixer puts us at odds with winning a bid. So we are getting a fixer in a neighborhood we hope to call a forever home.

So here is my question. To me, this pool needs a new plaster job. I have a feeling they might have done a paint on coating at some point? There are these plastic caps in the pool that I saw in a plastering video but I didn't understand what they are for and I can't find that video to learn more about them. I hope you guys can lend a hand.

Also, thoughts on a pool heater. The pool does not have a heater at this time or a spa. I don't foresee us putting in a spa, but we like to swim in warm water. I see some pretty good rebates from SoCal Gas on the Pentair heater, is that overkill?

Also thinking of going SWG...... but the chlorine dosing systems also spike my interest (I have a reef tank... so used to dosers)

Here are some photos from todays inspection. The inspector said he looked at the pool power panel because it is a part of the home wiring, but wouldn't comment on the pool. (I asked him not to do a pool inspect as it was an extra $100) What he found was that the pool light is tripping the GFCI, so I am guessing the housing is compromised.
 

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YippeeSkippy

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Hey Hey Hey! Welcome back and good luck <fingers crossed virtually> on the house bid.

Pool definitely needs a new finish. Are those infloor cleaner pop ups?? I don't see the system in your equipment pad though....otherwise not sure what they are. Perhaps just in floor water returns? Calling in a pro---> @Richard320

Raypack seems to garner more positives for heaters.

Keep us posted!

Maddie
 

zea3

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Welcome back! The caps could be for floor jets or bubblers. I would get someone to fix the electrical problem first. Could be a bad light or a bad GFCI breaker.
 

Summoner12

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Riverside, CA
Thanks guys!

I tried to pull up a plastic cover on one of those floor pieces but it was pretty firm. I did not have a tool, so my efforts were minimal. I did not feel any water flow from them. Now I did see one of those manifolds where it’s like 2” pipe into the top and then it splits to 4 pipes. I find this manifold odd because the pool only has the floor drain, skimmer and looks like one jet return. But I may be mistaken.

I wish I could have another chance to poke around but I feel it isn’t super necessary. The pool is what it is... Building a pool in the area is very difficult as the area is heavy in granite. The home is on a hill and you can see the rock coming out of the hill side. I imagine it wasn’t cheap having the pool excavated. Part of me feels the cost of a remodel is better than building new.
 

Summoner12

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Hey! I found the video I saw those caps in, or something similar. Thing is, she doesn’t explain them, just mentions them. You do see some on the pool floor arranged similar to our future pool.... the search for answers continues.

 

Summoner12

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Ok, now I get it. It’s a pop up cleaning jet.... I’d be very curious to know if it still works. I did not see any of them on while the pump was running and there is only one pump. 🤔
 

Richard320

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Those do look like an infloor system, and to me it looks like some genius removed the control when the pump got replaced. I'll bet if you dug up the dirt between the pad and the walkway that you'd find some more pipes. The infloor may not clean things as well as they intend, but at least they return plenty of water.
 

Roscoe

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I agree with Richard320. If it used to have a 5 port (or something similar to the pic) and it was just cut off then I would think you have a bunch of still water underneath the pop ups.

The other pic is the tool you need to twist the pop ups out.5 port.jpg

pop up tool.jpg
 
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Summoner12

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Riverside, CA
I agree with Richard320. If it used to have a 5 port (or something similar to the pic) and it was just cut off then I would think you have a bunch of still water underneath the pop ups.

The other pic is the tool you need to twist the pop ups out.View attachment 158840

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There is one of those pods off on the side of the pool by the fence.... I am betting @Richard320 is right.... Either there is a pump hiding off on the side of the pool by the distributer cap/pod, or there is a pipe in the dirt by the pad.

So my fear here is that this system, being old, could be a nice way to have a leak. When we get the pool re-plastered.... should I have them cover this stuff up/remove it?

AND.... to re-plaster, do you need to have a full chip-out? Are there any good reads on the forum about this?
 

Jimrahbe

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Check to see if the pool can operate without the IFCS... Does your pool have a set of standard wall returns (eyeballs)?? If not, then all the return water has to go through the IFCS..

I'd do a full chip out and remove the IFCS, if possible.

Show us a pic or two of the IFCS system distribution unit by the fence..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 

Summoner12

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Nov 16, 2015
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Riverside, CA
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Check to see if the pool can operate without the IFCS... Does your pool have a set of standard wall returns (eyeballs)?? If not, then all the return water has to go through the IFCS..

I'd do a full chip out and remove the IFCS, if possible.

Show us a pic or two of the IFCS system distribution unit by the fence..

Thanks,

Jim R.
Jim, I only see one return to the pool.

Pump intake looks like skimmer and floor drain. I did not pull the basket from the drain, but I am guessing the drain is plumbed to the skimmer. (BTW, how do you drain the pool if the drain isn't direct to the pump, you can't, right?)

Wondering if I should have chip-out, have skimmer replaced and separated from the floor drain, and add in a suction side port and auto top off.... $$$$
 

Jimrahbe

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Main Drains are not necessary at all.. Thousands of pool do not have operating main drains.. Not something I would worry about.. You should not need to drain a pool very often or at all. If you do, just use a sump pump.

In your case, the "Main Drain" is most likely plumbed different, as it is where all the debris in the bottom of the pool get sucked up when the IFCS is in operation..

I only see two options...

1. Get your IFCS operational.. ($$)

2. Remove the IFCS and modify the pool to have wall returns.. ($$$$$$)

Thanks,

Jim R.
 

Summoner12

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Nov 16, 2015
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Riverside, CA
Alrighty.
Did final walk through today. I finally got a good look at the IFCS. I don’t know why I didn’t recognize the valve and plumbing arrangements... 🤦🏻‍♂️

So the IFCS is valved at the unit next to the pool, not by the equipment pad kind of odd if you ask me. 🤨

while we were there the pump was on, but a low setting,I tried valving on the IFCS but a bunch of air came out of the return andsome water leaked out of the union above the distro. I’m guessing air in the IFCS was bubbling up and blowing out of the return.

the unit looks pretty sad and in need of TLC.

The valve only would turn one quarter. I could not tell if center pipe is feed or return. I don’t think you’d run the return and IFCS at the same time?

I’ll play with it some more when we move in obviously, but at a glance I’m thinking of automating that valve if the system is in working order. It was difficult getting to the valve because of what has been planted around the pool.
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Roscoe

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Yup, odd positioning. 1st thing to do, when you start, is to take the line off the top of the 5 port. There is a stainless steel dome strainer on the top of the 5 port. I assume it will be choked with debris
 
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Summoner12

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Nov 16, 2015
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Riverside, CA
Update for you guys:

We are FINALLY in the home....o_Oo_O

Not sure if I mentioned, but home is a fixer. So I really want to jump in to the pool stuff but right now the priority is getting stuff inside the home completed. However I’m going to do little pool stuff on the side.

list of To Do’s:
  • Rebuild IFCS pod or replace
  • Automate the IFCS valve, timed with pump increase in speed
  • Get jandy IQpump10 to work with my phone (this is actually #1 on list)
  • Get skimmer door replaced and a better fitting basket
  • Open up and inspect/recharge DE filter.
    make equipment pad bigger to accommodate heater
  • But pool cleaner
  • Automate acid and chlorine dosing
I kept my old pool nets, brush and pole, they’ve been helpful but my wider net got chewed on by rodents 😒

oh and will be draining the pool to reset things....

Fun
 

Summoner12

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Nov 16, 2015
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Riverside, CA
Oh here are a couple more photos. Had pool net guy out. And random dog pic
 

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