It started out as a liner replacement and replacing the coping!

Bill1974

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2014
103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Liner was leaking and had seen better days. I looked for the leak and could not find it and it was leaking at a decent enough rate that I would need to add water every few days. As it was I filled it back up 3 or 4 times over the past winter.

Not sure how old the liner was, it pretty much looked like this when I bought the house in 2013. They said it was only 3 - 4 years old but I doubt it, since it was pretty faded then. I think the pool was still closed when I made my offer on the house and closed at the end of July 2013

In the first year or two I found out the the conduit to the light niche was leaking. First fix with epoxy putty lasted a year or two. After that I dug and fixed it by replacing some of the conduit and making a better connection to the niche. Settling of the soil looks to be what caused it to originally fail.

Some before photos:
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Bill1974

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2014
103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Before replacing the liner I replaced the light niche, skimmers and some of the skimmer plumbing. I should have also done the return fittings, but was beat.

At this point I was still planning on just doing the liner replacement and coping replacement. Next year I was planning on dealing with the patio replacement. I didn't like the aluminum coping and half the caps that covered the joints were messed up and loose. The coping looked like it had been painted a couple of times already, media blasting would have been the only way to maybe make it look okay. And I wasn't going to deal with that and still have coping I didn't like. I was also still looking for a contactor to do the coping. One said they could doing it and reset the pavers around it but nothing is going to line up elevation wise. But that was fine in my mind as it was just temporary. Another was basically nothing can be saved and there was no way to do it piecemeal (foreshadowing). I was not up for swallowing that bill at the time.

So off digging I went. The pool wall were still solid, but pretty rusty on the back side. On the inside I ground off the rust and recoated what I could with cold galvanizing paint. The dirt side wire brushed what I could and put some rust converting paint on it (I doubt it make any different). I backfilled with 3/4" clean stone. So nice that next to no compacting is needed. Moving a yard (~3000 lbs) not so fun. I finished up this in mid May.
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Bill1974

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2014
103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Late May now:

Liner replacement! I farmed this out. They came out and measured in February or March I think.

I pumped out all but the last 6 inches of water and debris. Then let the liner replacement guys do there thing.

Two days for them to do there thing, then wait till the water got up to just below the light niche. They came back to put on all the face plates. Then it was continue filling. They it was a torrential rain that overfilled the pool a day to two later. It didn't cause any damage and made it easier to just pump to waste and vacuum the pool quicker.

I still did not settle on what I was doing for coping and pavers at this time. But in a couple of weeks and after talking with a few contractors I threw in the towel and decided to fix it all.

I planned on having that work start in early October. So I got to enjoy using the pool till then. With all this I figured it's the time to replace the return lines, remainder of the skimmer lines, power and everything else that under the pavers. So I started amassing fitting, pipe, diving board supports, ladder, ladder cups, etc. Not the ideal time to start searching for pool parts, but fortunately I got everything other than a diving board (I can still use the old one).

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October 6th: demo day!

I needed the concrete and pavers gone so I could put in new power, water, pool lines, sprinkler lines ect. I worked out the contractor that I would need a couple of weeks to get all this done. Turned out to be 4 weeks. I took a little longer and also found that a return port was cracked and I did not feel up to pulling back the liner and replacing them. So last minute made rush to find someone to do in when everyone was trying to get closing done. Fortunately that only took a week.

Yard didn't look to bad when they were done!

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Don't know if other have the issue - but I cannot see your pics - just a circle with a dash thru them.
Interested to see your project, but I too am having the same issue. I suspect they are behind a wall of some sort. If you need help getting them posted, post up how you are trying to do and and we can get it fixed for you.
 

Bill1974

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I see them all on my phone and PC, but maybe they are all links to the photos in my google photos album? I made the photo public viewable, did that help. Otherwise i'll edit the post and try attaching/embedding a different way.

Thanks. and more photos to come, most of the retaining walls and paver is installed (I think, i'll see when I get home)
 
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bmoreswim

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That’s some serious work! Hopefully they had a good day of wall/paver work today.
 

Bill1974

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October 9th:

Time for me to start my work, replacing return lines, remaining skimmer lines and backwash line. And put in a hose spigot, sprinkler and run new power line. oh and new conduit for the pool light and conduit to have power to a gazebo. I also wanted the option for some type of pool heater. I originally wanted a natural gas heater. I know it costs more to operate, but in my mind it's simpler, going to be less expensive upfront (I was wrong) and simpler to service. Plus being impatient, it would heat the pool a lot faster. But after finally getting some estimates for running a gas line that dream died. Cheapest option was to put in a second service just for the pool, but there is no discount on second services and the run from the street is about 150 feet. Upgrading the service I already have would be like 250 feet and a lot of zig-zagging (no one even wanted to give a price on that). Gas was going to be in the $10k ballpark (that buys a lot of electrons).

So I just upped the service from 240V 20A to a 240V 100A (yeah overkill, but wasn't much more than doing 60A or 80A services). I was going to do copper in conduit but that was going to pricey and pulling though conduit was not going to fun, even with 360° of bends in about 100 feet. So I changed to aluminum direct burial cable and conduit where it comes out of the ground. I just needed to trench a little deeper, that was easy with a excavator rented from the fine people at Home Depot. I only got to play with it, I mean use it for 24 hours and 7 minutes. But I did a great job of making pool area look like WWI trench battle grounds.

I did figure out this is the 5th yes 5th set of pool lines. It was a fun archaeological dig. I am guessing the original was a thin walled green PVC pipe that not crumbs if you even glance at it, next looks to have been black poly pipe (most of it looked fine, except where I probably put holes in it), then there was two sets of flexible PVC lines. The current line the interior was flaking away. I put in sch 40 PVC and each skimmer and return got its own line. And 90's were SCH 40 sweeps (not DWV) or 45's.

Worst part was trying to roll out poly pipe for a hose big and a sprinkler line. Or maybe it was dirt falling into the trench and my shoes.

This all was going well till I pressure tested and found that the return ports were cracked and leaking. Yeah I should have done them when the I did the skimmer, I did not know how easy it would have been then. So I had to find someone last minute to pull back the liner and change them. And pool lines are great for lunching test plugs and making them disappear. 25 PSI sent one 40 - 50 feet in the air and into the neighbors yard to never be found again. They also make a great geysers if there is a little water in them with just a few PSI of air. A scene right out of cartoon seeing my buddy helping out get shot in the face with a slug of water thinking that pulling a plug out with a couple of psi still in the pipe was fine. I may have pulled a muscle and/or cracked a rib from laughing (if only I video).

That would have been fun to dig by hand.
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Think ahead on where you are going to put dirt so it's easy to backfill. And don't ask me for where to put it, i'll find the worst spots.
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My nemesis that would not stop leaking, no matter how much glue and pipe dope I used.
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Bill1974

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Jun 18, 2014
103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
November 17th:

Finally finished my part and contactor hasn't been scared off or forgot about me and it hadn't poured in a few days.

Did not look like a lot got done the first day, but they did have to deal with the mess I made.

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Bill1974

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103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
November 21st:
I was away. I went over a bunch of stuff before leaving, most was taken care of but there were a couple of oversights. Not show stoppers but more just annoying. One was the backwash line was buried under the retaining wall and underground. I was planning on it just going onto the lawn as it had been before. It's also nice to be able to pump water out after heavy rains. Yeah I am aware that it's should go to a drywell, but that seems like over kill. If concreate had not already been pour it would have not been to bad to fix. Plan now is run the line into the lawn a little ways and have popup. Other slip up was not 45ing one corner. Not a big deal, that they are correcting since it's there to stop water from the neighbor from and not have it go over the wall. Compared to what other people have gone through, I feel like this has gone as smooth as it could.

Now for the what everyone is looking for:
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It's about 6" below the bottom course of block.
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A French drain is going in next to the wall to allow water to go somewhere other than sit next to the wall. It's to be run to a drywell in the lawn. The contractor wanted to put a 2 ft wide planter bed in (I don't think anything would grow there other than weeds). The other option was some fancy stupid expensive trough system that has pitched sections.
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Bill1974

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103
Hauppauge, NY
Pool Size
32000
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Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
November 23rd:

There is still a fair bit to go, but exciting seeing it come together. It's going to be fun cleaning up the pool and seeing if I can cover it before it snows. Maybe it will freeze over and make putting the cover on easier.

More paver down and most of the cap stones.
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wireform

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One bit of advice, you don't want to touch the ice if it does form before you get to cover the pool because the ice is sharp and dragging the winter cover over it can cause it to cut the liner like a razor. You'd be better off leaving it uncovered at that point.
 

Bill1974

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Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Man what a lot of work you have done and had done! Looks great so far! Bet your back and wallet are sore from all of that!!!
It was bit of a pill to swallow, I was hoping to do it in pieces so the bill would not come all at once. But money is stupid cheap to borrow and it pains me that I am borrowing it, but I make more with the money I have invested than what the interest is. See crazy to have loans when it could all be paid off, but somehow that is not the best financial method.

Physically it hasn't been to bad, I would rather do this than go to the gym. My neighbors think I am nuts, i've been out there 11 something at night a few times. They were beginning think I don't pay anyone to do anything. I could probably do the pavers and block work (concrete would have had to been farmed out, no way I would deal with 27 - 28 yards or a yard for that matter of it), but it would take a long time and I would probably have some permanent pain from it.
 

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it pains me that I am borrowing it, but I make more with the money I have invested than what the interest is. See crazy to have loans when it could all be paid off, but somehow that is not the best financial method.
I know of what you speak! We do the same thing. That monthly payments sure gets to me but when I look at the investment gains.............yeah the payments will end soon enough :roll:
beginning think I don't pay anyone to do anything.
Again same here! It gets even easier since my husband is retired and in need to things to do LOL Google is his friend for things he has not done before.

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