Is CH expected to rise when performing a low CSI “scale softening”?

SoDel

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I’ve read a few threads with interest where it was suggested to keep CSI low (I think it was around -1.0 to -0.6), for an extended period of time to help remove underwater surface scale. To determine if the approach is working, would CH be expected to rise as calcium is dissolved back into the water? About how much of a rise would indicate it? Asking for a friend :) .
 
1 lb of scale dissolved will increase CH by 8 ppm.
Thank you — that’s very helpful! Do you have any rough idea of sort of order of magnitude of the weight of say typical light scaling per sq. ft. of surface area or say about half of an average pool? At 8 ppm per lb, at 3 lbs., that becomes very easy to measure and seems like a good indicator that “something” is happening, but nothing so drastic as to damage the finish.
 
A scale at 100 micrometers thick will be about 25 grams/sqft or 0.05512 lb per square foot.

A 15 x 30 floor is about 450 sqft or about 25 lb at 100 micrometers thick.

Assuming about 1,000 sqft of plaster, the scale will be about 55 lb at 100 micrometers thick.

That could raise the CH by about 440 ppm.

How thick is your scale?
 
The scale might be anywhere from 1 to 100 µm thick.

10 µm thick will be about 44 ppm of calcium hardness.

Common office paper ranges from 50 µm to 100 µm in thickness.

Do you have a scanning electron microscope?
 
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A scale at 100 micrometers thick will be about 25 grams/sqft or 0.05512 lb per square foot.

A 15 x 30 floor is about 450 sqft or about 25 lb at 100 micrometers thick.

Assuming about 1,000 sqft of plaster, the scale will be about 55 lb at 100 micrometers thick.

That could raise the CH by about 440 ppm.

How thick is your scale?
Wow, that is extremely helpful! Scale is not thick, can’t be as much as a tenth of a mm, just a sort of surface discoloration and, hard to describe, like a stuble “dirtyness”, in areas which pieced together would be about half the pool surface. I’m not even positive it is scale. I suspect scale because more obvious scale formed on the ledges where the water gets very warm, and for the first two years of the pool’s life, the pool service managed chemistry by checking with test strips while I never saw them add anything to the pool. At the end of the second season I bought my own test kit and the ph test was a very attractive shade of deep purple (other chems were within reason though). At that point I figured I couldn’t do any worse than them :) .

My CH does rise about 50 to 75 ppm over the winter (which I don’t really have a cause for) but in season, even with CSI on the low side, it hasn’t budged yet. I’ve been keeping it between -1.0 to -0.3 with routine acid additions. At -1.0 of course the ph rise is very quick and I’ve got stuff to do so it doesn’t stay there long. I have been quick to act as it gets up to -0.3 or slightly higher.
 
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The scale might be anywhere from 1 to 100 µm thick.

10 µm thick will be about 44 ppm of calcium hardness.

Common office paper ranges from 50 µm to 100 µm in thickness.

Do you have a scanning electron microscope?
Got the SEM out of the attic and estimate the scale at about gold leaf thickness, .12 um, +-5 nm ;) . Or maybe thin coat of paint, 30 um or so — both wild guesses lol.
 
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1 lb of scale dissolved will increase CH by 8 ppm.
Would dissolving that one pound of scale have other observable effects — like the additional freed up carbonate ions raise pH and TA? My latest acid addition did raise CH by 25 (but my measurement is +- 25 anyway) and also pH rose faster than usual with TA remaining stable. Ordinarily the pH would not rise that fast and TA would decrease a bit. Maybe dissolving a little bit of scale is working (or maybe I’m just dissolving a little bit of plaster lol)? Again, thanks for your help.
 
Dissolving calcium carbonate raises the TA and CH by the same amount.

1 lb will raise the TA and CH by about 8 ppm.

1 lb calcium carbonate is approximately equal to 17 oz sodium carbonate when calculating the TA and pH effect.

17 oz sodium carbonate raises the pH by about 0.25.

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