Infloor pool cleaners

mikecam

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Dec 27, 2018
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Bradenton/Florida
I have a Paramount pool cleaner that is not working. Was thinking of changing to an A&A because of the availability of rebuild kits. Is this worth it? Will the six ports align wit h my existing six pipes?
 

proavia

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Feb 6, 2015
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Chandler AZ
You may want to give these guys a call: In-Floor Cleaning Systems - they should be able to give you an educated answer.

Long term, it may be best to abandon the infloor system and get a robot. Initial cost up front is higher, but you will be saving electricity by not having to run the pump at high RPM to power the infloor system (if you have a 2 speed or VS pump). And your pool will be cleaner.
 
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chiefwej

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Jun 12, 2011
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One of the best things I did last year was to give up and buy a robot. My Dolphin S300 gets the pool cleaner than its ever been. No need to even run the pump. Anytime I see anything in the pool, I just drop him in and two hours later pull him out of my spotless pool.
 

KDpoolguy

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Mar 5, 2017
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Palm Desert, CA
Mike, the 6-shooter A&A valves are effectively a cookie cutter of the Paramount ones. They have choice of 1.5” And 2” PVC female connectors so that would be the measurement you’d need to make. I replaced my A&A valve, and I’d be willing to bet the original valve was a Paramount one as that’s what I’m told was around when pool was built-making this the pool’s third valve assembly. I did use female-to-female couplings to build up and even out the pvc to keep the new valve level after cutting off the old valve. I understand the argument to abandon, but a cleaning option with literally no cords or tubes, IFCS is the only option. Beyond that, it’s such a fantastic way to heat up your pool most effectively. I love mine, and little need to manually vacuum, though the energy use and noise when VS is on high speed is a bugger.
 

chiefwej

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The effectiveness of an infloor cleaning system depends on not only the design of the system, but more importantly the topography of the pool. All the system really does is blow debris around the pool until it gets to the drain where it’s picked up. If the pool has a deep well, gravity is a major factor in helping this process, but in a sport pool with a relatively flat bottom, this process doesn’t have the aid of gravity. If and when debris arrives at the drain is just a matter of luck, making an infloor system a very slow and ineffective way of removing debris. I spent several thousand dollars to prove this hypothesis.

My infloor system now serves primarily to more evenly heat the pool, when using solar. My Dolphin robot is what cleans the pool.
 
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beez74

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Oct 15, 2018
55
Phoenix AZ
I never know what to think when I read the reviews on the In-floor systems...I had my pool installed in Nov of last year and also had the In-floor system installed but was worried after reading all the posts about them. I run my pump 5 hours a day with the valve set to run the In-floor for 2 at 65% of the 5 hours and the rest of the time just skimming at 60% and my system keeps the pool as clean as ever. I have bougainvillea trees that scatter leaves in the pool that are all gone within an hour of the system running. I guess its all in the setup of the pop ups but so far I have yet to need the net or had to scoop anything from the pool and the floor is clean.
 

KDpoolguy

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Mar 5, 2017
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Palm Desert, CA
I’m glad you’re happy with it. I’m going to miss mine. In the desert, I feel they are ideal. I’m not worrying about it as I’m out of town. I too get bougainvillea leaves in the pool and during high winds lots of dust and fine sand. I keep my filters clean, and installed amazing Pleatco filters and it’s sparkling. I have not manually vacuumed in 6 months. Not for anything but I found a large toad stareing me in the face in the skimmer and it’s still really freaking me out. My skimmer angel also is a lifesaver. That’s coming with me!
I’m manually vacuuming my new pool weekly. So many expenses with a new home and I think my wife will kill me if I drop $700 on the card right now. Maybe she just likes the pool man fantasy...I digress. Long live IFCS and god bless @chiefwej for always fighting me on it.
 

chiefwej

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There are three pools on my block that have infloor cleaning systems. Two of the three work well. Both my son and my friend have systems that they love. My friend’s is an A&A and my son’s Paramount. Meanwhile my (A&A) system is basically useless for cleaning the pool. The big difference is both of the other pools have a deep design while mine is a sport pool with a relatively flat bottom. I could run my VS pump at high rpm 10 hours per day and it still wouldn’t clean the pool.