Doesn't muriatic acid nuetralize lye?KurtV said:Water, salt, and a little (less than 0.2% for Clorox Ultra) Sodium Hydroxide (aka NaOH aka lye). I think there can also be some small amounts of some metals (I've seen iron, nickle and copper mentioned) as well.
If the lye concerns you, please be aware that SWGs also produce it.
This confuses me as well. The BBB mantra is "Chlorine is Chlorine" just different concentrations. Isn't this true for SWG generated chlorine as well? Or it is somehow different?JasonLion said:Poolsean, "SWG was 'different' and more gentle" - this kind of reaction/misunderstanding is part of what I suspect is causing KurtV's reaction.
I agree with you, chlorine is chlorine is chlorine. There is a possibility, which I doubt, that something else goes on inside the SWG cell, the chemistry gets very complicated in there. Certainly by the time it gets out of the cell things are back to being everyday ordinary chlorine. Plus, as KurtV pointed out, whatever is happening inside the cell can't be all that important because there isn't any major difference between a SWG and consistent bleach additions once you subtract out the effects of having salt in the water.Backglass said:This confuses me as well. The BBB mantra is "Chlorine is Chlorine" just different concentrations. Isn't this true for SWG generated chlorine as well? Or it is somehow different?
Poolsean, what are the "unique benefits to an SWG", comparted to a well kept and maintained BBB pool with salt added?Poolsean said:No offense Kurt, but this is starting to sound like a "Gun's don't kill people. People kill people." type discussion.
A Salt Chlorine Generator has a single purpose, generate chlorine on site by using a salt solution added to the pool.
The additional benefits are the "attributes", which are as a result of adding salt and generating chlorine in this manner. While you can have the same "soft water feel" just from adding salt to the pool, really, no one would have ever thought of doing so on their own, so how the idea came about came about is germane. Kinda like Borates...who would have thought to add 20 mule team to their pool?
Do I have supporting evidence to my statements? I guess the comments from the previous posts are only attributes for adding salt?
Look, I'm not trying to say everyone needs to have a salt pool. I am saying there ARE unique benefits to a SWG, not just convenience. Are there "pools that are just as well sanitized and just as sparkling as any SWG equipped pool. We just have to work at it a bit more. Which is just another way of saying it's less convenient to keep a pool this way."? I'm sure there are many pools maintained this way! I have faith in poolforum and TFP members using the BBB method, having well sanitized and sparling pools! SeanB has a whole slide show of these types of pools!
I think we can agree that properly maintained pools can have equal water characteristics as a SWG.
I think we can agree that just adding salt to a pool provides similar soft water feel.
However, I don't think there's any denying statements about differences (kids not wanting to swim in non salt pools, people with dermatitis conditions being able to stay for hours in a SWG pool, etc) from people going from a traditional chlorine pool to a salt water pool...and not wanting to go back. The neighborhood kids use to go pool hopping, but where do they ultimately end up? THEY tell me they like my pool better. Do I tell them it's a salt pool? (no, I don't - I just smile :-D )
It's amazing when I hear from commercial property owners who comment to me that their members know there's been a change in their public pool, from the apparence, to the feel of the water. And these are suppose to be well maintained pools to begin with.
I'm NOT looking to be confrontational (and to me, I think my last few posts have been that way - sorry), I just don't agree with you that it's all contributable to adding salt.
Rob said:You guys have it all wrong.
BBB and SWG's are both inferior methods for taking care of a pool.
I simply dropped a bar of Plutonium in the deep end. It heats my pool, kills off all sources of bacteria and algae, and lights up the pool at night, all without having to provide any electricity or additional chemicals!