Early AM picture

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
It does not need to be done manually.

There is third mode that can be enabled - SPILLOVER mode.
  • POOL mode suctions from the pool and returns to the pool
  • SPA mode suctions from the spa and returns to the spa.
  • SPILLOVER mode suctions from the pool and returns to the spa
I read a post here from some time ago where someone posted that when they enabled spillover, it gave them the option. I will run it by the builder.

And Tom, i like you but in this case I hope you are wrong:) But seriously, thanks to everyone for posting. This issue along with all the others has caused me stress.

The plumber set the LEDS on the pool and spa to all come on at the same time. Looks like they could have been set up independent of each other and he wired together. It's not the worst thing but seems like it should have been done differently.
 

Turbo1Ton

Gold Supporter
Dec 26, 2019
1,277
NE Oklahoma
Pool Size
14500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
You have 2 valve actuators. One is on the suction line, the other is on the return line. I believe that is correct from what I am seeing.

From a Pentair perspective, not Hayward, here is what happens for the modes:

Pool - SUCTION valve actuator set to pull from pool main drain/skimmers, RETURN valve actuator set to return water through pool returns.
Spa - SUCTION valve actuator set to pull from spa main drain, RETURN valve actuator set to return water through spa jets
Spillover - SUCTION valve actuator set to pull from pool main drain/skimmers, RETURN valve actuator set to return water through spa jets.

The Spillover mode utilizes the action from both valves to create the spillover.

Now if you have the RETURN valve actuator set to where it stops with the SPA side partially open, then it will always allow flow through the spa, regardless of what mode you are in. I have mine set like this to just allow a small trickle of water flowing over my spa at all times.

I believe that Hayward and Jandy likely use similar programming for this. I don't know how else you would do it, or why you would try to complicate it.

It sounds as if the plumber set the stops to allow the RETURN valve actuator to never fully close the SPA side of the valve, allowing constant flow through the spa returns. This is why he is saying you have to have the spillover at all times.

Plumber added the actuator, programmed the control and says I will no longer be able to have the spillover AND pool features going at once.
He is correct here in that if you have the return actuator set to fully close both pool side and spa side, you will not be able to have the spillover and water features at the same time, since all water will be directed to either the spa or pool. From what it sounds like, right now you do have spillover and pool features going at once and you don't want that.

To fix this I think all you need to do is reset the return valve cams to allow the spa returns to close fully, when in pool mode, and enable the spillover mode in the automation.

--Jeff
 

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
if your builder/plumber/programmer program it correct, and your limit cams in the actuator are set correctly - it should work.
Builder just left and says his rep at Hayward told him they never use the spillover option. And his plumber/electrician seems to be the one he is relying on for expertise. I am hoping it will work but in the end, it may be on me to do it if I have to deal with his incompetent plumber.
From what it sounds like, right now you do have spillover and pool features going at once and you don't want that.
I want an option to use pool features while the spa is in spillover. He says one or the other but not both.
 

ajw22

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jul 21, 2013
35,210
Northern NJ
Pool Size
35000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
.I want an option to use pool features while the spa is in spillover. He says one or the other but not both.

What do you mean by that?

When in SPILLOVER mode suction is from the pool skimmers and all return is to the spa.

What pool features do you want to use?
 

Toxophilite

Silver Supporter
Feb 23, 2022
547
Dickinson, Texas
Pool Size
15500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Builder just left and says his rep at Hayward told him they never use the spillover option. And his plumber/electrician seems to be the one he is relying on for expertise. I am hoping it will work but in the end, it may be on me to do it if I have to deal with his incompetent plumber.

I want an option to use pool features while the spa is in spillover. He says one or the other but not both.
Your actuator valves set to Pool Mode:

shared5.jpg
Your actuator valves set to Spa Mode:

shared6.jpg

Your actuator valves set to Spillover Mode would be for the actuator vales to open "main drain/skimmer" and open "spa return". Spa suction and pool returns would be closed. All water would be sucked from pool and all water returned to spa.

These actions will be set using your control panel settings for a Pool Mode, Spa Mode, and Spillover Mode to control your actuators. Now, if you occasionally want to have some spillover during pool mode, and since you can't tell the actuators to not fully open and close when activated, you need a bypass that diverts some water to spa while in pool mode. On mine, it's a 3-way that can set from closed, no water during pool mode, to a little, to a lot. That's a manual,, separate, action independent of the above actuator and control panel selections.
 
Last edited:

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
What do you mean by that?

When in SPILLOVER mode suction is from the pool skimmers and all return is to the spa.

What pool features do you want to use?
Spillover may not be the correct term, but I mean some of the return water going over the spillway. And during this time, the returns on the pool still active to operate bubblers and deck jets.

In short, I want to be able to have full control of the three way valve that sends water to the returns. The pool, the spa or both at the same time.
Now, if you occasionally want to have some spillover during pool mode, and since you can't tell the actuators to not fully open and close when activated, you need a bypass that diverts some water to spa while in pool mode.
Some above are saying that this is an option with automation but you are saying that you can't control the actuators to this level which is what the builder and plumber are saying. As for adding a valve, the pipes may be too short for that. I do have the toggle switch I can operate manually but would like to automate it if I could.
 

mknauss

Mod Squad
TFP Expert
Bronze Supporter
May 3, 2014
47,942
Laughlin, NV
Pool Size
6000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
The actuated valve will not give you three positions. It will give you two. If you wish to have pool features with the Spillover, the Spillover must be set to run all the time.
 

Toxophilite

Silver Supporter
Feb 23, 2022
547
Dickinson, Texas
Pool Size
15500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Spillover may not be the correct term, but I mean some of the return water going over the spillway. And during this time, the returns on the pool still active to operate bubblers and deck jets.

In short, I want to be able to have full control of the three way valve that sends water to the returns. The pool, the spa or both at the same time.

Some above are saying that this is an option with automation but you are saying that you can't control the actuators to this level which is what the builder and plumber are saying. As for adding a valve, the pipes may be too short for that. I do have the toggle switch I can operate manually but would like to automate it if I could
They are saying that the actuators, once activated, go from a full stop to a full stop. You change the stop position by mechanical means, and that will be the new stop position. They are saying you can't change the range of motion from stop to stop other than by mechanical settings with the valve. You cannot program to tell the actuator to stop at different positions. It only has 2 - full left and full right.

So, if you want to normally NOT have water over the spillway in pool mode, that's set full closed Spa return while in Pool Mode. Can't be anything else, ever, without a mechanical change at valve. Then, to get pool water to refresh spa, you need a Spillover Mode setup - taking water from pool and returning to spa. All of this, pool, spa, spillover are just 3 combinations of the 2 actuator valves - both full right, both full left, or one turned left while other turned right.

Aside from that, the only way to get water to spa return while in pool mode is to have a bypass line from pool return to spa return that you can manually control.
 
Last edited:

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
Aside from that, the only way to get water to spa return while in pool mode is to have a bypass line from pool return to spa return that you can manually control.
Sounds like the only way I can do what I want (being able to have water over the spillway while being able to use pool water features at the same time would be to either manually operate the 3 way valve or add the bypass valve you mention but the current return valve is just off the deck, so I don't think there is enough pipe to get in there.
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support

Toxophilite

Silver Supporter
Feb 23, 2022
547
Dickinson, Texas
Pool Size
15500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Sounds like the only way I can do what I want (being able to have water over the spillway while being able to use pool water features at the same time would be to either manually operate the 3 way valve or add the bypass valve you mention but the current return valve is just off the deck, so I don't think there is enough pipe to get in there.
Yeah, and you would still be manual no matter. We put a separate pump that runs features.
 

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
I was supposed to have a dedicated pump on the spa but they did not plumb for it. But that may be something to think about. What size pump did you two use for your features? Is it automated for pump to come on when a feature actuator is operated?

Tox, I see yours is 3hp. What size is your's Jeff?
 

Turbo1Ton

Gold Supporter
Dec 26, 2019
1,277
NE Oklahoma
Pool Size
14500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Mine is also 3HP. And yes, when I turn on a feature, the pump turns on. I don't ever have to 'turn on' the feature pump. I just select the feature, the rest just happens.

--Jeff
 

Toxophilite

Silver Supporter
Feb 23, 2022
547
Dickinson, Texas
Pool Size
15500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
I was supposed to have a dedicated pump on the spa but they did not plumb for it. But that may be something to think about. What size pump did you two use for your features? Is it automated for pump to come on when a feature actuator is operated?

Tox, I see yours is 3hp. What size is your's Jeff?
After the fact, I think 3hp was a bit much for one fountain and a couple of bubblers, and, we don't use features as much as we thought we would, just occasionally. It's on a feature circuit for off and on, but the features have manual valves to tailor water flow to each. I would have way more aeration issue with those running every time pool is running than from my spillway running in pool mode via bypass valve.
 

klanel

Silver Supporter
Jul 11, 2021
524
Athens, GA
About a week ago I first noticed the pump had stopped working. I restarted on the controller and it's stopping more and more frequently. Just this evening within a few hours has stopped 3 times. One time I saw the LED lights on this evening as well but they turned back off.

I looked at the alarms on the OnmiPL and the screens below are what appears. The water temp has never displayed, the salt has not been added, can't turn on the heat pump (may be due to temp sensor not working?). See some message about provision which I don't know what that means.

There may be other issues but it's never connected to our wifi network. Even my phone with hotspot, it sees it but won't connect. I am not confident that the plumber/electrician/jack of all trades has programmed it correctly either.

IMG_2214.jpgIMG_2215.jpgIMG_2216.jpg

Anyone had issues with things shutting down or things turning on by themselves. Nothing in the schedule to run automatically.