DIY - Steel IG pool 20 x 40

duckcmmndr

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May 7, 2014
104
Arkansas
Pool Size
29980
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Here is a rain picture. You can see the pump in the lower right hand corner. There is no other way to get the water out of there. It did this twice during my build. I already had the bond beam finished, so nothing moved...but it made everything a huge mess.

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Justin9314

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Feb 21, 2021
24
Northern Indiana
Pool Size
36000
Surface
Vinyl
Does anyone have any guidance on where they sourced their PoolKrete or Vermiculite from? Trying to save the 300-500 shipping charges from buying it online.

I am considering subbing this part out but so far, I have not found any concrete people that work with poolkrete or Vermiculite? Am I asking the wrong questions?

Looking to break ground on April 24th depending on the weather. Can't Wait!
 

jimmythegreek

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Aug 10, 2017
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Morris Cnty NJ
My advice is to take time off and spend 2 weekends amd the week between solely on the build. Depending on your ground a novice can get into a bad spot quick with rains. Dont know how deep your going nut a mini excavator isn't gonna be fast on a 20x40. I wouldnt do it unless I had no choice on access and would charge extra for the time wasted. An 80 class machine is the smallest you want, that's a 18k pound trackhoe. I dig with a 160 takes half a day tops, and relocating piles is easy. If ur buddy excavated he should know somebody for a machine. Be aware many pro excavators do horrible jobs on pool digs. They usually overdig you dont want that. A cleanup bucket is best for a rookie after you get close to the wall height grade. It seems exciting to start and do it all, you wont feel that way after a few days. Make sure ur help is gonna actually come amd reliable
 

Justin9314

Silver Supporter
Feb 21, 2021
24
Northern Indiana
Pool Size
36000
Surface
Vinyl
My advice is to take time off and spend 2 weekends amd the week between solely on the build. Depending on your ground a novice can get into a bad spot quick with rains. Dont know how deep your going nut a mini excavator isn't gonna be fast on a 20x40. I wouldnt do it unless I had no choice on access and would charge extra for the time wasted. An 80 class machine is the smallest you want, that's a 18k pound trackhoe. I dig with a 160 takes half a day tops, and relocating piles is easy. If ur buddy excavated he should know somebody for a machine. Be aware many pro excavators do horrible jobs on pool digs. They usually overdig you dont want that. A cleanup bucket is best for a rookie after you get close to the wall height grade. It seems exciting to start and do it all, you wont feel that way after a few days. Make sure ur help is gonna actually come amd reliable
Thanks for the response Jimmy! I am renting a CAT 315? The connection I have at the rental store is going to give it to me for the weekend for a days rate. I wanted to get the 320 but the costs were too high. Did you DIY your pool base? If so, where did you source your material from?
 

duckcmmndr

Well-known member
May 7, 2014
104
Arkansas
Pool Size
29980
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Does anyone have any guidance on where they sourced their PoolKrete or Vermiculite from? Trying to save the 300-500 shipping charges from buying it online.

I am considering subbing this part out but so far, I have not found any concrete people that work with poolkrete or Vermiculite? Am I asking the wrong questions?

Looking to break ground on April 24th depending on the weather. Can't Wait!

I got my pool krete from a local hardware store about 30 miles away. You should be able to find some locally if you do some calling around.

I subbed out the pool krete and I am glad I did, they made it look easy and did the whole pool in less than a day. You will probably not find a concrete guy that also does pool krete, they really are a different skill set. I had to call a few pool install places to get the names and numbers of pool krete guys. It's like pulling teeth to get a name and number, they want to put your whole pool in for you. Once they find out you are doing your own pool, they don't want to share the contractors that they use with you. Maybe you will have better luck than I did, I ended up getting one of the best guys around to do mine and could not be happier...but it was shear luck that I was able to get his #.

Jimmy is 100 % right in the recommendations he made. I used a full sized track hoe and it made quick work of the dig and moving dirt around. The larger track hoe can not only dig faster/deeper, but has a longer reach to pile the dirt more out of the way. I took a week of vacation time that started on ground breaking day and with the 2 weekends in there got a ton of work done.
 

Justin9314

Silver Supporter
Feb 21, 2021
24
Northern Indiana
Pool Size
36000
Surface
Vinyl
I got my pool krete from a local hardware store about 30 miles away. You should be able to find some locally if you do some calling around.

I subbed out the pool krete and I am glad I did, they made it look easy and did the whole pool in less than a day. You will probably not find a concrete guy that also does pool krete, they really are a different skill set. I had to call a few pool install places to get the names and numbers of pool krete guys. It's like pulling teeth to get a name and number, they want to put your whole pool in for you. Once they find out you are doing your own pool, they don't want to share the contractors that they use with you. Maybe you will have better luck than I did, I ended up getting one of the best guys around to do mine and could not be happier...but it was shear luck that I was able to get his #.

Jimmy is 100 % right in the recommendations he made. I used a full sized track hoe and it made quick work of the dig and moving dirt around. The larger track hoe can not only dig faster/deeper, but has a longer reach to pile the dirt more out of the way. I took a week of vacation time that started on ground breaking day and with the 2 weekends in there got a ton of work done.
Thank you! If you don't mind sharing, what did it cost you to sub out the pool krete?
 

jimmythegreek

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Aug 10, 2017
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Morris Cnty NJ
A 315 is fine, I thought you said mini excavator? Get largest bucket if they have a 24" or even 30" a clean up bucket is great for fine tuning (no teeth on bucket just flat bar) look online for pool supply house near you, they might sell a DIYer pool base or have no issue with non pool pro sales. You can get premix and do it old school without a mixer. When you pour your collar make a form amd pour the deep end hopper same time in concrete. Mext day use that as a mix point amd you can open a few bags amd garden hose it flipping with shovel amd turning it. Once oatmeal like, slap it on amd trowel it. Set string lines and guides. A 20x40 is alot of work, anyone good with a trowel can apply it. Need a Fresno to make it nice. A pro will make it very flat, you only see imperfections under the pool lights anyway