Design help please? Pool house, spa placement, other insights welcome.

lazygirl1978

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Oct 20, 2018
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Missouri
Hi everyone! I'm hoping for some insights. I signed my contract with the PB last week and have decided to go ahead with a smallish pool house now rather than later. I have a rough, homemade diagram below. But first, some rainy photos of the backyard now.

Here's the view standing in my sunroom, looking east on a rainy day.

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This view looks northeast, standing in the living room doorway.

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I have a north view taken from the living room, but for some reason no matter how I size the file, the website says it's 49k too big! I'll try to post it in a second post.

All that concrete and the brick wall will be demolished and hauled off. Sadly, I'll have to lose the ginko tree, but that's OK. The natural gas hookup for my grill has to be moved b/c currently it comes out of the brick wall.

Anyway, here's the embarrassing diagram. One little square=2'.

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I do not plan to put in an outdoor kitchen in the covered poolhouse area. I'd actually like for my grill to be moved closer to the living room doors (you can see my indoor kitchen is near those doors, so I wish the grill were closer!). Because my house is vinyl, I'll have to move the grill away from the wall when I grill, but that's OK. So, grill close to the door, then maybe a countertop with storage underneat running the length of the house to where the Spa is going to go. I wanted a comfortable, therapy spa, so we're going with a Caldera Geneva, and I am EXCITED. I wish it could be closer to the living room door, too, for winter use, but I have to pick between the grill and the spa, and I figure the spa will be best over in the corner where it won't be in the way?

The white rectangle between the house and pool shows the placement of four chaise lounge chairs, just to give me a sense of how much space I'd have. You can see that originally i'd thought about putting a shower near the spa, but the shower will now be attached to the pool house. The pool house won't have an indoor shower --- it'll just be more changing/storage space. I'll need some sort of pathway around either side of the poolhouse to get access to the shower on one side and equipment on the other.

What do you think about how far the pool house edge needs to be from the water's edge? We are putting in a Fastlane (swim current) where the diving board would go. I'm going to not put the diving board in right away as a result (my PB said it's no problem to install it later). I really like a diving board, so I think I'll probably end up with it. Would also prevent people from jumping on the Fastlane... The covered area for the pool house is pretty large, so I'm not sure I need the full 8' between the pool and the poolhouse's covered area. I want a fan or two in the covered area ceiling.

The pool will have a grey auto-cover.

Pool will be vinyl (Latham Reef) with a bluestone coping. The decking will be concrete. There's currently a flagstone path around the sunroom of the house to the patio (sort of reflected in diagram) and I'm hoping to keep some/all of that flagstone. (It will be picked up and put back down in a better way --- no more weeds between the stones!).

Thoughts on the placement of anything? What should I add? I'm nervous about winterizing the poolhouse (we get cold weather in Missouri), but I figure it must be possible!

Thanks!
 

YippeeSkippy

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Jan 17, 2012
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Evans, Georgia
OMG, I love everything about your design....especially the diving board!! I love deep pools for diving :)

Seriously, it all looks good. My only concern how far over can you build in your lot line zoning? Does it all fit in within your lot and not encroach on any easements?

I'm with you on putting the grill closer to the kitchen for year round pool. 12' or so should be fine from edge of pool house to edge of pool, anything more is gravy!

Maddie :flower:
 

lazygirl1978

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Oct 20, 2018
201
Missouri
Thanks, Maddie! I’m told that we have to be 6’ from side property line so we should be fine over there.

Diagram right now shows 8’ pool edge to pool house patio/roofline. Too close?

ideally I’ll have a raised garden bed south of the pool house and north of fence gate. Hoping to integrate that somehow. Maybe path to shower goes between pool house and garden?
 

kimkats

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Doors to the equipment and bathroom=pocket doors! The equipment door should be on the pool side for fast, easy access. If you put in pocket doors you will not lose any space in your covered area.

Out door shower-make steps or a gate in the wall so it can be accessed from the covered area. Not sure why you want an outdoor shower though. With TFP water you will not need to shower off after swimming.

Make sure your plumber talks to you about how to winterize the outdoor area. My guts says they know how to do this IF you let them know ahead of time. I am thinking valves to open to drain the line then shut the water off to that area.

Kim:kim:
 

lazygirl1978

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Oct 20, 2018
201
Missouri
Doors to the equipment and bathroom=pocket doors! The equipment door should be on the pool side for fast, easy access. If you put in pocket doors you will not lose any space in your covered area.

Out door shower-make steps or a gate in the wall so it can be accessed from the covered area. Not sure why you want an outdoor shower though. With TFP water you will not need to shower off after swimming.

Make sure your plumber talks to you about how to winterize the outdoor area. My guts says they know how to do this IF you let them know ahead of time. I am thinking valves to open to drain the line then shut the water off to that area.

Kim:kim:
1. Never heard of pocket doors for an exterior before! I'll have to look into it! Also thinking about making the equipment room bigger so there's space to work (and space for storage). I'd steal space from the changing area then. But that's probably fine. How big would you want an equipment room to be?

2. Outdoor shower because (1) I LOVE to shower outside!, and (2) I always just want to rinse myself and my kids and my dog after swimming in my inlaws' salt water pool. Yeah, it's not as bad as swimming in the ocean, of course, but I just love a fresh water rinse. Maybe their pool has more salt than mine will? But even then, (3) I like to shower before I jump in the pool to swim laps (easier to make myself get in the water), or to wash off the sweat if I've just gone for a run. For years I've dreamed of coming home from a run and getting in the pool!

3. Winterizing is actually on my list of stuff for the contractor! YES! I am really concerned about that. Too many frozen pipes when I lived in Chicago...

Thanks for your thoughts!
 

kimkats

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Okay lets talk about your indoor equipment room:

-The finish of this room HAS to be water proof. NO drywall! I would also have the floor sloping down to a center drain plumped to somewhere out side as it WILL get wet.

-size-mock up your equipment. Leave room for you to move around it all. Think about lifting the top off the filter and taking the insides out. Speaking of filter....what kind are you getting? DE, sand, cartridge?

Equipment=unions on everything! That will allow you to service or replace with out cutting pipe.

How about valves? You do NOT want those red or blue ball valves from the box stores. You want the rebuildable ones. There are a couple of brands. Ask you PB which ones he likes.

Out door shower it is then!!! Lets make all of your dreams come true! Lets work on a easy way to get to it without having to walk around the building.

Kim:kim:
 

YippeeSkippy

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I just want to mention that it is good practice to shower off quickly *before* swimming, as bodies carry along with them some....um....unpleasant debris even if they *think* they're clean. Trust me. I'm all learned up on cooties :) and have studied the research. CDC recommends it also, particularly in public pools but nice in residential too.

Maddie :flower: <who incidentally has never showered off before swimming, and rarely ever after in my gorgeous TFP water!>
 

lazygirl1978

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Oct 20, 2018
201
Missouri
Okay lets talk about your indoor equipment room:

-The finish of this room HAS to be water proof. NO drywall! I would also have the floor sloping down to a center drain plumped to somewhere out side as it WILL get wet.

-size-mock up your equipment. Leave room for you to move around it all. Think about lifting the top off the filter and taking the insides out. Speaking of filter....what kind are you getting? DE, sand, cartridge?

Equipment=unions on everything! That will allow you to service or replace with out cutting pipe.

How about valves? You do NOT want those red or blue ball valves from the box stores. You want the rebuildable ones. There are a couple of brands. Ask you PB which ones he likes.

Out door shower it is then!!! Lets make all of your dreams come true! Lets work on a easy way to get to it without having to walk around the building.
Great ideas! I need to look up the valves and unions, but I think I know what you're saying. I'm getting a sand filter...

Good point about lifting off the top of the filter. I'm thinking we'll make the equipment room bigger than the original plan and steal space from the bathroom.

Shower will be on the side of the building. Just around the corner. I want the shower stall to be kind of big/maybe with two compartments so people can hang/store stuff in there while they swim, especially if we steal space from bathroom/changing area inside. I have a new diagram now that's more professional. Will post soon. THANKS!

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I just want to mention that it is good practice to shower off quickly *before* swimming, as bodies carry along with them some....um....unpleasant debris even if they *think* they're clean. Trust me. I'm all learned up on cooties :) and have studied the research. CDC recommends it also, particularly in public pools but nice in residential too.
Yes! The people at the pool where I swim laps love me because I always shower first. It's mostly selfish though --- I like to soak my hair with fresh water before putting my swim cap on, and I also like that the pool water feels warm if I'm already wet when I get in. If that makes sense. It's a habit for me now. I also just love to shower outside so much --- reminds me of being at the beach! I have a feeling I'll use the pool a lot in the morning before work in the summer, and I'll just shower out there to start my day. So excited!
 

kimkats

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Here is ONE example of a good valve. There many others https://sunplay.com/products/jandy-never-lube-3-port-valve-4717?variant=6881137164323&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0p_k7Yy23gIVAV8NCh1asgxmEAQYASABEgJDCfD_BwE

Here is what a union looks like: Amazon.com : Hayward SP14952S 1-1/2-Inch Socket by 2-Inch SLIP White ABS Flush Female Union : Swimming Pool Filter Valves : Garden Outdoor it comes apart and has an o-ring you can lube to help it not leak.

With a Sand filter you will not be taking the top off often. Most of the time it will be a good backwashing to get it clean. It is going to be very important for you to have the back wash pipe run out and to some where "safe" where it will not get clogged up or the outgoing water will not erode the ground around it.

I am almost thinking you will be better off with a cartridge. You can take the cartridge out and rinse it off outside. If you ever need to "deep Clean" a sand filter it will very hard to do inside a building as there will be SO much water flowing out of it. Here is a link: Deep Cleaning a Sand Filter

If you want to get extra fancy with a cartridge filter you can have a line go to waste to help get yucky stuff up and out of the pool without messing up your filter. All your plumber will have to do is plumb in a valve that can push the water outside (through a pipe he adds) instead of the water going to the filter. Should be easy to do.

Kim:kim:
 

jimim

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Jun 20, 2016
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1. Never heard of pocket doors for an exterior before! I'll have to look into it! Also thinking about making the equipment room bigger so there's space to work (and space for storage). I'd steal space from the changing area then. But that's probably fine. How big would you want an equipment room to be?

2. Outdoor shower because (1) I LOVE to shower outside!, and (2) I always just want to rinse myself and my kids and my dog after swimming in my inlaws' salt water pool. Yeah, it's not as bad as swimming in the ocean, of course, but I just love a fresh water rinse. Maybe their pool has more salt than mine will? But even then, (3) I like to shower before I jump in the pool to swim laps (easier to make myself get in the water), or to wash off the sweat if I've just gone for a run. For years I've dreamed of coming home from a run and getting in the pool!

3. Winterizing is actually on my list of stuff for the contractor! YES! I am really concerned about that. Too many frozen pipes when I lived in Chicago...

Thanks for your thoughts!
closing the pool house for winter is easy. Blow out water lines. Waste lines get antifreeze for traps. My water lines r below my frost line where I live for my pool house. We dug them in deep. Same with my waste line. I also used copper for water line vs pex.