Donldson

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The Canadian company now has its own bilingual website : https://www.crystalplus.ca/en/
Lots of reviews and a FAQ, and 90+ reviews on Costco.ca
Not sure it is available outside Canada, as there is only a Health Canada registration number on the packaging.
Not sure why you felt this 5 year old thread on a product we 100% do not recommend needed an update... But ok:

Contains copper. Do not use this product. Internet reviews are worthless and more often than not are either paid for or made by people with little to no water chemistry knowledge. Hope it isn't available outside of Canada so less people mess up their pools by using this product.

Anything I missed?
 
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Eauclaire

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May 28, 2015
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Quebec, QC
I reactivated the post because I thought it deserved a second look. Calculating the nominal copper concentration at time=0 in say, a 10000 L pool is edifying. From this number, you can deduce what scientific principles are employed and finally, identify the specific conditions, under which this might be useful to some TFP members.
 

Eauclaire

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May 28, 2015
63
Quebec, QC
I use a solar ‘blue bubble’ blanket continuously on my pool when not swimming, because my pool is surrounded by vegetation and because I am obsessed with heat retention as I live ‘up north’. Algae begin proliferating on pool surfaces in quiescent zones because of reduced circulation and scouring in the presence of the blanket. I detect ‘algal presence’ by foot shuffling in the shallow end and looking for a biofilm; otherwise the water appears quite clear. Slamming, following the the CYA:FC relationship efficiently removes the algae and dissolved organic material and the biofilm disappears. I begin to reuse my solar blanket, but within 72 hours, the biofilm returns, another slam and the cycle repeats.. Thus, my solar blanket is a continuous source of organic matter and algal inocula! My swimming season is short (12-16 weeks), and to allow time to enjoy my pool, rather than slamming, I had resorted to ‘mini-slams’ where the target FC is half of the CYA:FC slam values. While the biofilm is controlled, it still has to be vacuumed and the chlorine demand is very unpredictable and requires frequent checking and adjustment.

So I decided to try Crystalplus System (aka Aquarine internationally), a 4-in-1 (algicide, clarifier, pH buffer, chlorine reducer) blended product marketed as a 'chlorine reducer', not a sanitizer. Development began in the late 90's and fine-tuned by volunteer pool owners until the final chemistry was established in 2005. From the manufacturer’s specifications chlorine demand is reduced by eliminating part of the organic load in the pool water. Calculated initial Cu dissolved concentration is 80 ppb. My pool water is soft (Great lakes/St Lawrence River water), and this Cu concentration is too low to induce copper mineral precipitation. The weekly suggested dosages of 20g/10000 L, between backwashes, are quite small. To be on the safe side, I initially added half; about three tablespoons to my 42000 L pool. Within 48 hours, my pool was so clear, I could see minor defects in my bottom pool liner that were invisible before, no trace of a biofilm, and unusually smooth pool surfaces. I backwash my sand filter every month, so other than adding chlorine, I made no further additions for 30 days, and the pool remained clear, with no evidence of a biofilm, even after weeks of solar blanket use. However, the most spectacular result is how chlorine demand has dropped, and become as reproducible over time as a Swiss timepiece.

I measured the concentration and fate of Cu in my pool by plasma spectroscopy (Agilent 5510 ICP-OES, detection limit=0.6 ppb Cu); it was always in the range 5-15 ppb. That is 2 orders of magnitude below TFP's own 500 ppb Cu 'stain threshold'. The ratio 10000/5 (minimal SLAM FC concentration/steady-state Cu concentration) reveals that Cu is 2000 times more effective at preventing algal/fungal/biofilm development than chlorine is at oxidizing an establish algal bloom. No wonder it is called a chlorine reducer! The Cu is readily backwashed and does not accumulate; 98% of my Cu seasonal load was backwashed. My running cost was 1$/10000L/month. Crystalplus System prevents 'slippage' toward SLAM conditions when chlorine demand varies widely over time,(my specific case). Mild super-chlorination corrects slippage, and FC control is more forgiving. Conversely, if your chlorine demand is finely tuned by FC alone, such that you never have algae, nor the need to SLAM, you do not need CrystalPlus System. In my pool, it reduced chlorine demand by 70%, and eliminated slamming completely over the swimming season. All pool surfaces remain impeccable clean, no brushing, sweeping or vaccuming, except for the odd leaf. Almost the Holy Grail...as the loss of depth perception becomes addictive.
 
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Bperry

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Aug 20, 2020
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Knoxville, TN
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Plaster
Chlorine
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CircuPool RJ-60
I use a solar ‘blue bubble’ blanket continuously on my pool when not swimming, because my pool is surrounded by vegetation and because I am obsessed with heat retention as I live ‘up north’. Algae begin proliferating on pool surfaces in quiescent zones because of reduced circulation and scouring in the presence of the blanket. I detect ‘algal presence’ by foot shuffling in the shallow end and looking for a biofilm; otherwise the water appears quite clear. Slamming, following the the CYA:FC relationship efficiently removes the algae and dissolved organic material and the biofilm disappears. I begin to reuse my solar blanket, but within 72 hours, the biofilm returns, another slam and the cycle repeats.. Thus, my solar blanket is a continuous source of organic matter and algal inocula! My swimming season is short (12-16 weeks), and to allow time to enjoy my pool, rather than slamming, I had resorted to ‘mini-slams’ where the target FC is half of the CYA:FC slam values. While the biofilm is controlled, it still has to be vacuumed and the chlorine demand is very unpredictable and requires frequent checking and adjustment.

So I decided to try Crystalplus, after reading the testimonials and calculating from the manufacturer’s specifications that the nominal Cu dissolved concentration is 80 ppb. My pool water is soft (Great lakes/St Lawrence River water), and this Cu concentration is too low to induce copper mineral precipitation. The weekly suggested dosages of 20g/10000 L, between backwashes, are quite small. To be on the safe side, I initially added half; about three tablespoons to my 42000 L pool. Within 48 hours, my pool was so clear, I could see minor defects in my bottom pool liner that were invisible before, no trace of a biofilm, and unusually smooth pool surfaces. I backwash my sand filter every month, so other than adding chlorine, I made no further additions for 30 days, and the pool remained clear, with no evidence of a biofilm, even after weeks of solar blanket use. However, the most spectacular result is how chlorine demand has dropped, and become as reproducible over time as a Swiss timepiece.

At this point, as a retired academic aquatic biogeochemist, I would not recommend this product to my ‘best friend’ until I can carry out a complete mass balance of the Cu load, and determine that it is indeed all being backwashed. Ideally, chemical equilibrium modelling would be required to determine the upper limit in water hardness or ionic strength where this product could be used safely, without the formation of copper minerals.

Tentatively, , this product acts as an ‘organic matter scavenger coupled with a pool surface conditioner’ which inhibits biofilm attachment. It does not replace a disinfectant, but you may forget you need it.
Your solar blanket may have algae on it and that’s why when you put it back on, the algae starts growing in the water again. Algae can’t grow if there’s enough chlorine in the water in the first place.
 
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Donldson

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My swimming season is short (12-16 weeks), and to allow time to enjoy my pool, rather than slamming, I had resorted to ‘mini-slams’ where the target FC is half of the CYA:FC slam values.
This is complete nonsense. If you have algae, you perform the SLAM Process correctly, fully, and to completion.

If you took the time you're spending looking for any and every shortcut and instead spent it properly caring for your water you'd have plenty of time to enjoy your pool.
 
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